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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Tomellen, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. Apr 14, 2017
    Tomellen

    Tomellen Member

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    I suspected something like this, but didn't know what to look for. i will check this first thing in am. thanks
     
  2. Apr 14, 2017
    Focker

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    You can always hook up a temporary ground during troubleshooting.

    These are tough, but it's good to eliminate the easy stuff (like wiggling the bulb). Just work your way back to the switch.

    Wish I could be there to help...It's always nice to have a helping hand.
     
  3. Apr 14, 2017
    Tomellen

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    so could i reverse the wires at the lights to test?
     
  4. Apr 14, 2017
    Glenn

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    It seems like nobody uses a test light. It's very easy to solve most issues like this with one. It's all I've ever used.
     
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  5. Apr 14, 2017
    Tomellen

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    I just went out and reevrsed the leads going to the front parking lights and that solved the problem. the running light stays on, but u can see it blink.

    Thanks again everyone for your in put.
     
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    Walt Couch

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    Yes..
     
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    Tomellen

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    I use one all the time and have solved many issues with it, just don't know how I would of used here on this specific problem. Thanks
     
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    Walt Couch

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    Same here on most problems can be found with a test light. This particular problem a test light would have only confused the OP more. I tried to keep it as simple as possible.
     
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    Glenn

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    In this case you should have been able to remove the bulb and verify both contacts in the socket were working.
     
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    Glenn

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    Yeah, but then sometimes that little light in the brain comes on and......well then we smack ourselves upside the head. :D
     
  11. Apr 14, 2017
    Tomellen

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    ok, thanks
     
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    Focker

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    Awesome!
     
  13. Apr 15, 2017
    Tomellen

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    Focker,
    Are the colors on the wiring diagrams supposed to represent actual colors of wires in jeep or just make reading the diagrams easier. I was just wondering, they certainly will help tracing things out.
    With this front parking light problem I switched the leads at the light. The 2 wires going to the pass side light were black and yellow with bull nose connectors so when I switched I ended up with a black wire going to the light but changing to a yellow at the connector and vise versa with the other wire. So the actual wiring error could be under the dash. No big deal the lights work. I have all sort of wiring splices in my jeep where previous owners have made repairs or additions using different colored wires. I guess that is part of owning a old jeep.

    I am thinking of refreshing the wiring or may be a new harness. When i work on wiring under the dash it seem I disconnect something by just putting a little stress on the wires because of the crimp type connectors which were not crimped tightly. Anyway it is a mess and another future project.

    Maybe Im a little different, but enjoy working on my jeep. I'm 70 and it keeps my mind busy researching and figuring things out. I get a lot of satisfaction out of rebuilding parts and making them work, etc. With a jeep those opportunities will be endless. at some point this jeep will go to son or grand son. Well enough talking, got to go check out my jeep heater system and get the blower working and the duct flaps flapping.

    Thanks for all your help.
     
  14. Apr 15, 2017
    Glenn

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    It's good that you enjoy working on your Jeep. I like figuring out problems like you mentioned, kinda fun and a learning experience too. If you have the time and patience making your own wiring harness would be easy enough. Not a lot to the wiring on our Jeeps.
     
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    Focker

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    Just makes it easy to see. I'm not sure why someone went to all the trouble to color it, but used different colors?

    You might consider pulling the dash so you can lay everything out and secure the wires better.

    As for the wire colors and connectors...Here's what my '71 has working from the passenger turn signal back to the terminal block (TB) next to the horn on the driver's side fender:

    Passenger side turn signal light has one Blue wire and one Yellow wire (flashing circuit) running directly from a rubber boot out of the light's housing. From the rubber boot the wires are about 10" long and go into a black plug. There is also a short Blue wire going into the black plug for the side marker light. From the black plug there are 2 heavier gauged wires, one Black (flashing circuit) and one Blue (Running lights). These wires run up over the grill and towards the TB. The heavier Black wire goes to another black plug near the TB and converts to a smaller gauge Black wire. This is your flashing circuit for the passenger side indicator, it runs to the flasher and the turn signal switch. The heavy Blue wire screws to the TB post for running lights.

    Driver side turn signal light is identical from the rubber boot, but the other end of the wires go into a black plug that connects to a brown plug. The brown plug has a Light Blue wire and a Yellow wire (see my pic). The Light Blue wire connects to the TB where the heavy Blue wire from the passenger side connects. It share the post with another Light Blue wire coming from the wire loom. This wire supplies power for the running lights. The Yellow wire runs directly into the wire loom. This is your flashing circuit for the driver side indicator, it runs to the flasher and the turn signal switch.

    Here's a picture of my terminal block before my relay upgrade.
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    To convert the Jeep's wires to the V6 diagram:
    - The Jeep's Light Blue wire is represented by the Orange color. This runs directly to the light switch.
    - The Jeep's passenger side Black wire is represented by the Green color. This runs to the flasher and turn signal switch.
    - The Jeep's driver side Yellow wire is represented by the Blue color. This also runs to the flasher and the turn signal switch.

    I would put everything as I described and concentrate on the switch side of things. Also just to share how touchy these connections are. While I was tracing the wires out, my passenger side indicator stopped flashing. I had to wiggle the wire loom until it started again. I have clean wires and a great ground, but it looks like I have a mini problem to solve. :rolleyes:
     
  16. Apr 15, 2017
    Tomellen

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    Good info, thanks a lot. I appreciate it.
     
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