Matching Paint After Rust Repairs?

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  1. Oct 5, 2017
    AKjeff

    AKjeff New Member

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    My '73 has decent paint with nice patina. I think the paint is original. According to brochures it's Trans Am Red.
    I plan on it being a driver, with the occasional gravel road thrown in, rather than a more hardcore off road rig.
    I have two areas of rust to patch, below the taillights where the body mounts are welded to the body.

    I plan on removing the mounts and welding on patch panels from the inside, so there will be minimal new metal showing from the rear.

    Is there any place that specializes in old jeep colors, or old automotive paint in general, that could make a small amount for my project?
     
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    Focker

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    timgr

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    Your paint code number is on the VIN plate. Should be 515 or 522 for Trans Am Red. The Jeep color codes and Ditzler code is shown here - Color Chip Selection

    Really, if it's red and faded, I would just pick the closest red from Kirker and paint the whole thing. Won't be any more expensive than buying color-matched paint and painting your patches. Alternatively, your local automotive paint store can custom match the color to whatever line they sell. Take the glove box door to them. They can even make spray cans of custom colors - won't be cheap though.

    AutoBodyToolMart will send you a Kirker color chip sheet. Kirker Paint Urethane/Clearcoat Kits
     
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    AKjeff

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    Thanks for the replies.

    Focker, I found your sticky earlier but didn't understand how to use the site.
    If I understand it right it gives me the color codes for different manufacturers. Now I need to see if a manufacturer has a local store.

    I'm new to automotive paint, in the past I'd use hardware store rattle can to keep the rust at bay. I'd like to do a better job on this, even though the fresh painted areas will be very small.

    I've already checked Duplicolor and didn't find anything.

    I like Tim's idea of taking the glove box door in to get a match. I'd like to get a small amount mixed but I hadn't though about using the glove box door for a match :oops:
     
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    timgr

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    AKjeff

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    Thanks again Tim, I will definitely pick that book up.
    I prefer to walk into a store with some idea of what I need, rather than taking up the counter persons time.
     
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    sterlclan

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    red paint of that vintage is going to be hard to match, it fades and oxidizes. find an autobody supply place that can mix a matching color. some have a gun to "shoot" the jeep and make a formula to get close.
     
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    timgr

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    I mentioned this above, but I looked at the prices for a quart of Trans Am Red in Acrylic Enamel on the TCP Global site I linked above. Including the reducer and hardener, it's about $100. That's for a single-stage no-brand paint. The hot rod guys really like Kirker, and they offer several reds. A gallon kit from Kirker would not be much more, and you could spray the whole outside of the Jeep ... then it would match. As mentioned, red (and yellow) fade a lot, especially from the days before clear coat that contain UV blockers.
     
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    Steve's 70-5

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    Red is the most expensive automotive paint.
     
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    timgr

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    Yes, red is the most expensive pigment. Earth tones are cheapest (brown, tan, white, gray) and the others are somewhere between.

    Kirker Acrylic Enamel kit - KS-51439 Viper Red Kirker ACRYL-GLO DPK Med. $112.

    Mack Red is $108 and Flame Red is $102. Urethane would be a bit more.
     
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    PeteL

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    My FLAPS not only custom-matched my color and put it in rattlecans for me, they even added a "flattener" to match the aged and oxidized finish. Really cool!
     
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    70sVintagePreferred

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    Im at a loss as to why someone would use those pre mixed factory pack paint kits that are a match for nothing to paint anything other than a trail rig. PPG Dupont or Sikens is the only way to go. yes it will be more expensive than buying a $100 paint kit, but then a $100 paint kit is gonna get you a $100 lookin paint job. All the major automotive paint brands have a value line that is less expensive than the top end stuff they sell that still gives great results. Dupont paint stores have the color gun, but faded oxidized red is going to be an absolute bear to match- different panels will have different amounts of fade due to sun angles etc etc. so what matches on one part will be several shades off on another part.

    You would probably be better off repairing the problem areas and repainting the entire jeep. I know you mentioned "patina" but jeeps dont benefit from patina- only old 100+ year old antiques do, otherwise patina is just neglect.
     
  13. Nov 26, 2017
    gpjeep13

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    I would not repaint the whole jeep. The aged paint adds a lot to the character of a jeep, some people get it some don't... sounds like you do. Just try to have the paint match as close as you can and paint the repaired areas. Most likely wont be that noticeable. Too many 'perfect' condition jeeps out there anyway
     

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