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King pin shims

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by KnxTan, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. Dec 3, 2007
    KnxTan

    KnxTan New Member

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    On a Dana 27 steering knuckle, what are they used for exactly? Haynes repair manual says to go to a dealer when working on this item.
     
  2. Dec 3, 2007
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    They are for adjusting the preload on the kingpin bearings.
     
  3. Dec 3, 2007
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Avoid the dealer - if you need them you can get them from any of the early Jeep specialty places.
     
  4. Dec 3, 2007
    KnxTan

    KnxTan New Member

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    What is the procedure on preload? I bought shim kits and new bearings.
     
  5. Dec 3, 2007
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Best thing you can do is take the Haynes manual and throw it into the garbage. Then buy a re-print of the factory service manual (FSM). Worth it's weight in gold and has all this type of info. I'd also do a search as this has been covered quite a bit. At the top is a search tab and also a technical library tab. These are great resources for just these type of questions.
    By the way, Welcome! Nickmil
     
  6. Dec 3, 2007
    Lieutenant Mike

    Lieutenant Mike Firefighter Mike

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    Mcruff and I rebuilt my front axle about 2 months ago and I ordered my shims from the vintage 4wd catalog. I ordered 4 shim packs and that was way too many. If you need a set send me a PM and I will send you some of my extras.

    I may leave something out, but you need a cheap fish scale.You add or remove shims until it takes about 15lbs(I think, someone else can chime in the correct pound) of pull to move your steering knuckle. The shims only go on the top. Good Luck
     
  7. Dec 3, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    12-16 lbs. of pull to start the sweep without the seal in place.

    For questions like this, I highly suggest buying a factory service manual, http://www.thejeeep.com/ has them for a reasonable price.
     
  8. Dec 3, 2007
    key4202003

    key4202003 Member

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    also torque the bottom king pin to 35 ft-lb i think...

    and put the shims at the top of the knuckle to set pre-load
     
  9. Dec 3, 2007
    Shovelhead

    Shovelhead Heep driver

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  10. Dec 4, 2007
    KnxTan

    KnxTan New Member

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    Thanks everyone. As for the knuckle lube, I read a blog by an Aussie who had repaired an old Range Rover. He said he used STP instead of making lube with 140 and grease. Anybody ever heard of this?
     
  11. Dec 4, 2007
    timgr

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    Put that in the 'can of worms' category along with flat towing.

    Lots of recipes for knuckles ... thick oil, "pudding" of grease and oil, plain oil and rubber seals, etc etc. Many, many opinions.

    STP does have a lot of additives that might be good for the axle bearings. I have used it for assembly lube with good results.

    You want something that doesn't leak, but isn't so thick that it starves the axle bearings. I would guess that lots of things will work, and leakage depends on the type and condition of the seals and the condition of the knuckle surface.

    Are you replacing the seals? If so, which seals are you using?
     
  12. Dec 4, 2007
    KnxTan

    KnxTan New Member

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    Brand new seals and felt from Omix.
     
  13. Dec 6, 2007
    PatchyCJ5

    PatchyCJ5 Toledo Steel

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    Yea I heard of this, I think its called Knuckle butter/pudding. There have been a few postings on the forums about it. Just finished my front axle. I just replaced kingpin bearings, axle bearings, oil seals and steering knuckle seals from Omix as well on mine. Next time they fail Ill just get a different model to throw under it...
     
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  14. Dec 7, 2007
    russo

    russo Hope is not a method

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    Hey - I missed it. Someone else from K-town on the board. I work in K-town, and live just across the county line in greater Andersonville/Norris metroplex.

    I replaced my kingpin bearings and shims last winter. The FSM has good directions. If you PM me I can send you a PDF of the pages you will need. My problem was finding a scale to use to set the preload.

    I also replaced the seals felt and retainers last year. Running 140wt. No problems and my knuckles are the only thing on the JEEP that does not leak.
     
  15. Dec 8, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Buy a cheap fish scale from Wal Mart in the sporting goods section.
     
  16. Dec 8, 2007
    russo

    russo Hope is not a method

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    That's what I wound up doing. But, it wasn't so cheap. All they has left when I was there were the high speed digital ones.
     
  17. Dec 8, 2007
    wilson

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    Not sure how STP would be. I wonder if the top kingpin bearing might starve.
     
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