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Just Bought a Willys

Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by Rollbar, May 10, 2013.

  1. May 13, 2013
    aallison

    aallison 74 cj6, 76 cj5. Has anyone seen my screwdriver?

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    That is cool. I think it would be a great project.
     
  2. May 14, 2013
    timgr

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    Lots o' parts ... :coffee: :)

    The body is definitely worth saving. I would start there.

    Maybe you have a mix of CJ and Scout parts? The transmission looks like a T-98 or T-18. I don't know the IHC stuff that well, but I thought the IHC transmission have studs sticking out the front of them. But it's not Jeep, since the PTO cover is on the passenger side. So maybe IHC...

    You can put a CJ-5 frame under a flat-fender body pretty easily. There's a good article on the CJ-3B site.
     
  3. May 14, 2013
    Rollbar

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    Thank you-so the frame is not the original Jeep frame then, but has the axles. I have learned that the tranny, if the bellhousing bolts to it, then it is a IH. I didn't know that about the t-case PTO.

    Thanks,
    Jim
     
  4. May 14, 2013
    Rollbar

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    Looks like the PO cut the floor out to replace (he passed away from what I hear).
     
  5. May 14, 2013
    Rollbar

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    Test fit the hood etc.

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  6. May 14, 2013
    Rollbar

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    Looks like a '61-'63 Pontiac Engine.

    http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1961-1963-pontiac-tempest2.htm

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    195 [edit]
    Perhaps the most unusual variation of the durable Pontiac V8 was not a V8 at all, but an inline four. Nicknamed the "INDY 4", created for the 1961 Pontiac Tempest, it was essentially the right bank of the 389, sharing most of its tooling and many of its parts (more than 120 were identical). The bore and stroke of 4 1⁄16 in (103.2 mm) and 3 3⁄4 in (95.2 mm) were the same, giving a displacement of 195.5 cu in (3.204 L). This degree of commonality enabled it to be produced on the same lines as the V8, allowing substantial cost savings. A drawback was that the 195 weighed much more than a purpose-designed engine: at about 540 pounds (240 kg), it was not substantially lighter than the 389.
    The 195 produced 110 hp (82 kW) (gross) at 3800 rpm and 190 lb·ft (260 N·m) at 2000 rpm with a single-barrel carburetor, or 155 hp (116 kW) @ 4800 and 215 lb·ft (292 N·m) @ 2800 rpm with the optional four-barrel carburetor. For 1962 a "power pack" option increased rated power to 166 hp (124 kW).
    The Achilles heel of the 195 was engine shake. An inline four-cylinder engine produces unbalanced "couple," shaking in the vertical plane, and modern engineers consider the installation of twin counter-rotating balance shafts necessary for engines much larger than 122 cui (2.0 L). The V8-based design of the 195 had no such balance shafts, and costs prohibited adding them. The 195 was instead cushioned by flexible rubber engine mounts designed to isolate the engine from the rest of the car, and its forces were further dampened by the Tempest's unusual driveshaft. However, if the engine was out of tune or if a spark plug became fouled, the shaking overwhelmed the dampening of the mounts. A special high-strength timing chain was developed especially for the Tempest 4, since a standard chain would stretch and break rather easily from the inherent vibration in this engine design. The timing chain in the 195 was the same as the 389 initially; the upgraded Tempest chain also works on the V8 engines as a high strength upgrade. As an aside, former Pontiac engineer Malcolm McKellar joked in an interview with Collectible Automobile magazine that he and his fellow engineers sometimes called the four-cylinder Tempest "a traveling fatigue machine."
    The 195 was dropped after the 1963 model year

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_V8_engine#195
     
  7. May 14, 2013
    Rollbar

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    It has the exhaust on one side, then the carb on top, then a space for something that goes in front of the starter.

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  8. May 16, 2013
    Rollbar

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    Called Novak to see if I could find an adapter for the T98 to Slant 4. Here is their reply.


    So I sent them the T98 Output Shaft Measurements.

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  9. May 16, 2013
    Rollbar

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    I need to find a bell housing.
     
  10. May 16, 2013
    timgr

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    The cross-flow design is good, but I think it would be the obvious approach with a half-V8 design. Heard the old joke about Minnesotan chicken coops? A Garrison Keeler routine ... "It's different!"

    That's some kind of sleeve over the original bearing retainer. There should be a set screw in that hole that you can loosen to remove it.

    No bellhousing with the engine? There must be Pontiac forums - they might be able to advise and provide parts.

    I admire your initiative to use what you have, but I would not let it go too far.
     
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  11. May 16, 2013
    Rollbar

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    Well guess what, seems (I have to check one more thing) I have a rare engine and only 3300 were made in the 4bbl config like I have.

    That care did not use a transmission, some tube type etc to a shaft etc.

    I'm going to see if I can get some money for it on Hemmings :)

     
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  12. May 16, 2013
    Rollbar

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    Stich-does it have the bellhousing w/it or are you using it?

    Thanks,
    Jim
     
  13. May 17, 2013
    stich

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    No bell housing, sorry. All the rest of the accs are there. Manifolds, carb etc. Came with a good turbo 350 auto if you need one.
     
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