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Jeep Identification

Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by Mark E, Dec 5, 2005.

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  1. Dec 11, 2005
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    That serial number puts it as an early '59. Maybe someone set it up as a replica of the discussed M606?
     
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  2. Dec 11, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I was trying to figure out if that was the SN or if it was just the prefix Glenn. But the "6" doesn't match any VINs.

    Still, that's an elaborate "replica" if it really is from what I see in the pics.

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    I don't think it's a '65. The true M606A series started in '68 when the 3B went out of production according to Jim Allen.

    So I'm with Glenn it's a '59 CJ-5 that was modified for military use by the Swiss Army? Not unheard of, but I guess it wouldn't have a special model number designation.
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    sparky, Dec 11, 2005
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  3. Dec 11, 2005
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    One thing I'm basing this on is the Dana 25 up front and not the 27 which it should be after '62 or '63, which I assume would be in the exports too? Also they didn't stamp the prefixes in the frame, just serial numbers.
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Yup. I shoulda caught that myself. :oops:
     
    sparky, Dec 11, 2005
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  5. Dec 11, 2005
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Would be neat to find out the whole story on the Jeep.
     
    Glenn, Dec 11, 2005
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  6. Dec 12, 2005
    Mark E

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    Agree with you Glen thats why I am trying to trace it, just to see what it was originally.
    Mark
     
    Mark E, Dec 12, 2005
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  7. Dec 12, 2005
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Let us know what you find out, it's always interesting to learn things about Jeeps.
     
    Glenn, Dec 12, 2005
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  8. Dec 12, 2005
    Mark E

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    Will do and thanks for your input all of you much appreciated
     
    Mark E, Dec 12, 2005
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  9. Dec 12, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    That 8305 really caught me off guard. Sheesh. Talk about tunnel vision.

    Move over Dennis, I'm bringing a cot to the corner. :oops:
     
    sparky, Dec 12, 2005
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  10. Dec 12, 2005
    Mark E

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    hi gUYS
    juST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE BEARBOX AND TRANSFER BOX ARE PROBABLY FROM AN MB AS THE NUMBERS BOTH START WITH GPW AND THE SHIFT TOWER IS NOT AS TALL AS A CJ ONE, SO I HAVE BEEN TOLD.
     
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  11. Mar 29, 2006
    GIjivecrew

    GIjivecrew GI Jive

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    Hi Mick E
    I have a Swiss Army Military CJ5 or M606A1 and live in Yeovil, Yours has more M38A1 parts than mine, your dash, mirror fixing, but the jeep logos on the side suggest Kieser jeep corporation stable, 1963 omwards. Mine ia 1966 on the swiss army French/german dash plates. Its one of the many pic and mix jeeps sold to Europe I guess. Any way good to hear from another owner over here in UK. If yours is 24 volt its M606A2 if its 12 Volt its M606A1. You can see pics of mine at http://www.willysmjeeps.com/ under gijive on the gallery.
     
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  12. Mar 29, 2006
    GIjivecrew

    GIjivecrew GI Jive

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    Mine has the top bow dents, but has WWII top bows which suit better the straight sides, swap you the top bows and fixings if you like?
     
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  13. Mar 30, 2006
    GIjivecrew

    GIjivecrew GI Jive

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    Take a look at http://www.dreamcars.ch/Site/gallerie/gallery.asp

    There in the listing you will see a CJ3b and CJ5 both ex Swiss Army. The CJ5 is almost identical to mine except the windsheild is M38A1 not CJ5 like mine is. The CJ3b has straight sides, but goes in towards the front.Quite how you ended up with straight sides i don't know. You can see both are fitted with top bows for straight sides, like mine.
     
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  14. Mar 31, 2006
    GIjivecrew

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  15. Apr 1, 2006
    Mark E

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    Cheers Chris
    They are the first proper pictures I have seen that is very near to mine, obviously the dash has been changed on my one to make it like an M38a1 but the rest is very similar, one day we will have to meet and compare jeeps, do you know the history of your one?

    Regards
    Mark
     
    Mark E, Apr 1, 2006
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  16. Apr 1, 2006
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  17. Apr 1, 2006
    GIjivecrew

    GIjivecrew GI Jive

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    Hi Ab

    Looks very much like mine, see refs above for where my photos are, I urge Military CJ5 (M606A1) owners to join www.willysmjeeps.com I think I am the only M606A1 on there at the moment, out numbered by M38's and M38A1's
     
    GIjivecrew, Apr 1, 2006
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  18. Apr 1, 2006
    GIjivecrew

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    Mike

    Has your front grill got hinges at the base? if it has it's an M38A1 grill. Not only your dash, but the section between it and the bonnet is M38A1, having the battery housing lid below the windscreen and a mirror mount on it. This is part and parcel of the fabric of the body.

    CJ5 mirrors attach either to the windsheild hinges or higher up in the case of the Swiss Army ones.

    Most Swiss Army ones have M38A1 windscreens that I have seen, mine is a CJ5 opening flap type. CJ5's have tail gates, M38A1 don't.

    They have differant numbers of leaf springs ( Wes on willysmjeeps.com can tell you more about that side of things.)

    Your seats are M38A1 not CJ5. Your side panels with Jeep written on them are CJ5 post 1963. Civy headlamp surrounds are differant to M38A1 ones.

    12 volt is CJ5 24 is M38A1. Your flat sides are still a mystery to me.:)
     
    GIjivecrew, Apr 1, 2006
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  19. Apr 1, 2006
    Glenn

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    I'm betting someone did some sheet metal work to eliminate the tailgate and on the sides where the indents should be. I looked at a 3B years ago that someone had replaced the rear of the body by welding the rear of another one onto it. Included the frame and wheel wells back as a unit. From the road it looked good but looking underneath I saw they had even left the old bed floor in place, was hanging down a bit. People do strange things some times. :hurrican:
     
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  20. Apr 2, 2006
    Mark E

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    Have just joined, reinforcements coming mate
     
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