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Jeep Identification

Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by Mark E, Dec 5, 2005.

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  1. Dec 7, 2005
    timgr

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    Generally the gearbox will have a metal tag under one of the cover bolts that gives the Jeep PN (ie 8xxxxx or 9xxxxx), the type of transmission (ie T-90A), and a Borg-Warner number. I very much doubt that will tell you anything about the vehicle type - other numbers off the transmission should be Warner Gear ID numbers or casting numbers, and also won't be very informative.

    Pretty neat though. Has features of both the CJ-5 and the M38A1. I'd agree, post on the G503 forum, probably you'd get the best results on the M38 forum. Those guys are wild about military models, from all sources.
     
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  2. Dec 7, 2005
    Mark E

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    Cheers Tim will do that.
    Mark
     
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  3. Dec 8, 2005
    Mark E

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    Hi forgot to add that it has got the military wiring harness with the twist plugs?
     
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  4. Dec 8, 2005
    sparky

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    Are you asking something about those? Most of the military info will be found on G503 I'm afraid.
     
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  5. Dec 8, 2005
    Ieatpaste

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    R) You should add a few more exclamation points, as you wallow in your genius. :) Seriously, how many 606's have you seen? i've never seen one. Those picks are so cool. I wish I had one. and they had a split wind shield? Are the headlights recessed or not I can't tell in the picture.
     
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  6. Dec 8, 2005
    sparky

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    Junction City huh?

    Doubtful it'd have recessed headlights. M38A1s weren't in production when this was made.

    As for the M606, yes, I work on what is most likely an M606 but we don't have any documentation. Just lots of OD paint, some filled in holes on fenders where there would be a blackout light and military gauges. For all we know it could be just a 3B though.

    One of these on the other hand, no, never seen one. It is my board, I reserve the right to use !!!!!!!!!!!!! as much as I like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! R)
     
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  7. Dec 9, 2005
    66cj5

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    WOF is willys of France. could be NOS (french made).
     
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  8. Dec 9, 2005
    Mark E

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    Hi men, no it has not got recessed headlights, so what are we saying here that it is a french new old stock and it is older than an M38A1, and does WOF stand for Willys of France.
    Mark
     
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  9. Dec 9, 2005
    sparky

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    Can't be older than an A1 if it's a CJ-5. A1s came before CJ-5s.

    What's the G had to say about it?
     
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  10. Dec 9, 2005
    sparky

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    :? I can't find reference to a French CJ-5. All I find is Hotchkiss and they built MB and 3B like Jeeps.

    http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/World/France.html

    The only CJ-5s made overseas not in NA that I know of (disclaimer this doesn't mean they don't exist!) are the Ford made CJ-5s in Brazil and the IKA Jeeps in Argentina, this isn't one of those for sure.

    *Edit There were Australian made CJ-5s as well, haven't found anything yet for Europe.
     
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  11. Dec 9, 2005
    Mark E

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    Hi G503 are having trouble as well, we have had a CJ5, M606A2/3, a Swedish military (early) Nekaf etc. OK I can live with one of these, but I would like a guess on the year if anyone can narrow it down:)
     
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  12. Dec 9, 2005
    sparky

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    If you get the VIN off the frame we probably can. I'm guessing it'd have the VIN stamped on the frame just like any other Kaiser CJ-5 right below the battery tray/firewall on the right hand side of the Jeep.

    That should be a sequential production number for it we could narrow it down.
     
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  13. Dec 9, 2005
    Mark E

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    Ok Sparky will have a look over the weekend and if I find it watch this space, cheers.
    Mark

    ps frame or body
     
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  14. Dec 9, 2005
    sparky

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    LOL. Stamped on the frame.
     
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  15. Dec 10, 2005
    Mark E

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    HI all have found some more numbers just to bore you, so here goes with the pictures;

    This pic is of the rear of the chassis
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    This one is of the front of the chassis
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    This one shows where I found the number 410 in front of the master brake cylinder, any know what it means?
    [​IMG]

    This one shows the letter D above a 4 and a 30 on the right hand side of the chassis back from the wheel
    [​IMG]

    Does this give anymore clues as to what it could be.

    Mark
     
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  16. Dec 10, 2005
    sparky

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    Hi Mark, I think we've (I've) told you and the folks at the G have told you it's an M606A2/3. What more do you want? I thought that pretty much nailed it. How much more specific can we get?

    As for the numbers you need too look where I suggested. I didn't see the numbers in a photo or you didn't tell us what they were.

    With the battery tray in the front like that it indicates pre-66 IIRC.
     
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  17. Dec 10, 2005
    Mark E

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    Hi Sparky
    Yeh I know but it's like a drug need to get to the bottom of it, but thanks all the same, just forward where you have indicated the number there is 83056, I will take it on board as an M606A2/3. And as what I want is the work finished so I can drive it again:)
     
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  18. Dec 11, 2005
    sparky

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    Guessing it's a '65? WAG from the battery tray placement not being on the firewall and the M606A series was from '65-'72.

    Is it 12 or 24V?
     
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  19. Dec 11, 2005
    Mark E

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    Hi mate, it's a 12v looks like it was from original as there are no tell tell signs of those sort of mods, what's a WAG?
     
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  20. Dec 11, 2005
    sparky

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    Wild A$$ Guess
     
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