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Inside Rear View Mirror Photos

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by 65CJ5 SRD, Sep 17, 2019.

  1. Sep 26, 2019
    65CJ5 SRD

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    That was shaping up to be my plan. Although I do prefer that other style, I'll stick with the one I have. No need to spend more time and money on it! But if someone wanted the other style, that would be a way to get it.

    And yes, the black 671167 was probably a "deluxe" and/or later model variation/replacement. My pick is later model replacement. Funny how something as simple as the inside rear view mirror could be such a convoluted mess.
     
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  2. Sep 26, 2019
    mickeykelley

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    The mirror I have right now has darker mirror glass and you can see some coming off the back. Not sure if the darker glass was intentional or just aging. But the metal at the bottom rim is rusted with holes. Probably from years of having water accumulate at the bottom. It's not original to MINE but is just like the pic at the beginning of the thread that has the mounting instruction.
     
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  3. Sep 26, 2019
    maurywhurt

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    Based on the evidence gathered to date, I'm thinking that the earlier style inside rear view mirror was used in the CJ2a's and later models built by Willys. The NOS example shown below is in a Willys Motors box. Willys Motors was the corporate name used between 1953 and 1963. However, the use of this particular mirror design could certainly have predated Kaiser's purchase of Jeep in 1953.

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    Possibly during the early 1960's, it appears that Jeep modified the inside mirror design (the bracket, however, remained the same as in the previous version). This would correlate with the fact that the NOS mirror being sold by Willys Jeep Parts is in a Kaiser Jeep Corporation box. (You can see the end of the word "Corporation" at the top of the box. The company was re-branded to Kaiser Jeep Corporation in 1963.)

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    Then, sometime during the later 1960s, the inside mirror design for the CJ's was again revised to this type:

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    Thoughts on this?
     
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  4. Sep 26, 2019
    65CJ5 SRD

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    Maybe they changed to that when the window frames no longer folded down? I think I have one around here somewhere but I don't know where it is anymore. I was not able to use that kind as the "problem" with that style on a Jeep with a folding windshield is it's right in the way of the hood hold down strap (assuming this style mounts to the center of the upper rail of the frame). Plus the mounting holes didn't line up with the 2 likely holes in the top part of my windshield. That's my experience, YMMV.
     
  5. Sep 26, 2019
    Keys5a

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    Both my '64 and '65 Tuxes have the small mirror shown in the top photo. The '65 was chrome, both bracket and housing. These were Kaiser-era Jeeps, and I can verify that the '64 is original as the vehicle has been essentially 1-owner.
    The middle photo of the gray mirror appears to be the same one I have on a '62 Willys Wagon. The mirrors I just got from the JeepsterMan are very similar, but not identical, both in housing and color.
    The lower photo is of the mirror I am familiar with that is on my '66 CJ5 (and newer). I have always assumed that this style mounting came about when the arched-top windshield glass was introduced. There was no longer sufficient room above the glass to mount the mirror on the face of flat sheetmetal area as the early version was.
    -Donny
     
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    maurywhurt

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    Hey Donny,

    Weren't the curved top glass windshields first introduced on the '69's, or maybe sometime during the late 1968 model year?

    Like yours, my 1967 (manufactured in August of '66) also has that latter type of mirror with the heavy cast bracket. However, given that the inside rear view mirrors were optional during the mid-1960s, I suppose the ones like you and I have could feasibly have been added at a dealership a few years after purchase.

    Maury
     
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    maurywhurt

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    The inside rear view mirror needed to be mounted a few inches to the left in order to clear the windshield hold-down strap. In fact, in the instructions below (for the earlier type mirror), it specifies this offest for the CJ-5 & CJ-6.

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    It sounds however like your Jeep's windshield frame already had holes to mount the earlier type mirror, and that they're centered on the windshield?
     
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    Glenn

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    X 2 on this sentence. Wagon part number is the 955036 referenced on the photo of the box. This is for the wagons with the 1 piece windshield. The coated mirrors shape it self seems to be the same (to me) as the gray mirror referenced. The mirror has a distinct raised rounded mounting area. I would imagine it was for added strength to that area. Seems to me these are legitimate, although noticeably different in appearance, replacements. Since that box came from Morris I'd be confident with them being what was available. It would be interesting to know the date on that newspaper also.
     
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    Glenn

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    The hood latch is/was centered in the upper part of the windshield. Maybe a missing latch is the reason for 2 mysterious holes?
     
  10. Sep 26, 2019
    65CJ5 SRD

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    As I understand it, the 2 holes in the top rail of my windshield frame were for top bows for the top, but whatever they were for originally, they were not for a mirror. Mounting anything into the very top holes in the frame rail at that spot is likely to interfere with the hold down strap. As far as mounting, putting it to the left would work as does using the hood latch mount (and adding longer bolts). Either way will still let the hold down strap work.
     
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    My 67 Tux has the older small style mirror. Both the body and bracket are chrome. My 69 has the 3rd style with the cast base, which is offset to the left to leave room for the hold down strap.

    I believe the windshields were flat top, top wiper through '67, then flat top with bottom wipers, then finally curved top with bottom wipers in late '68 or early '69.
     
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    Glenn

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    I bought my '69 in the summer of '69, it had the straight glass windshield with bottom wipers. I don't know what the serial number was but I chose it over another because I liked the straight glass better. I used to hang around at the dealer a lot and know the one I bought hadn't been there too long.
     
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  13. Oct 8, 2019
    65CJ5 SRD

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    I fabricated a different rear view mirror bracket. My original one was a U channel. This worked OK but it's not centered and the vertical position is still a bit higher than I'd like:

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    My next version uses 2 aluminum angles like this. It lowers the vertical by 1" and I like that position better. There's a little more mirror vibration with this one but it's usable anyway:

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  14. Oct 30, 2019
    mickeykelley

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    Boy, trying to find slotted round head screws is becoming difficult. Unless of course you happen to want to buy in the hundreds. Next stop, an old hardware store here in town. I'm going to at least get it installed with the HD slot/Philips combo while I look.
     
  15. Nov 2, 2019
    mickeykelley

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    I mounted the mirror with the temp screws until I find a true slotted. Interesting thing on the instructions. The measurement of 1 29/32" from the top puts the bracket down where it snugs against the rubber windshield gasket. Will be interesting to see if that helps with the vibration issues I had with it bolted to the two top bow brace holes where I had it before.
     
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    65CJ5 SRD

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    It will probably help with vibration some and it will also place it vertically in about the right spot too. I found I liked mine mounted a bit lower than I had it originally.
     
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