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Hang on! (hang on to what?) grab bars.

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by FlyingTheDunes, Sep 19, 2004.

  1. Sep 19, 2004
    FlyingTheDunes

    FlyingTheDunes New Member

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    It became apparent to me that there is a lack of "grab bars" for the person in the passenger seat to grab! Sure there is one on the dash, but it is a stretch to reach (unless one is making a panic stop!), and there is no armrest to grab. You can't put a grab bar on the roll bar/cage lest it becomes a danger to your head (not wrapped in foam).

    So what are you guys doing or are passengers doomed to frailing around strapped to their seats when the going gets exciting?
     
  2. Sep 19, 2004
    JohnyJeep

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    Funny you should mention this. A guy I work with (bronco owner :shock: ) was up wheeling with some other people when one of the vehicles rolled over (big surprise). Well the female passenger apparently grabbed onto the rollbar (big mistake) and crushed her hand pretty good. Got me thinking about what I should do with mine as well. Although my wife usually bails out and walks at the first sign of a grade :shock: Almost seems like a 5 point harness with some kind of sewn on hand travel restraint to keep passengers from wanting to grab onto the rollbar. Another option might be to attach some kind of hold bar to the bottom of the seat bracket or the floor, so that they will keep there hands at their sides and on the bar instead. I'm interested ibn hearing what others have to say too.
     
  3. Sep 19, 2004
    Hawkes

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    Try www.raingler.com. They sell cargo nets and grab handles for Jeeps.

    Paul
     
  4. Sep 19, 2004
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    natural instinct is to grab the roll bar
    sissy bar on the dash might be hard to reach
    grab handles on the seats might be okay
    maybe a dummy steering col with wheel on the passenger side?
    when we were running Honda odysseys in the dunes years ago, we had nylon wrist restraints which kept your hands near the steering wheel in case of rollover; we used them faithfully
    I suppose in a Jeep the best thing to do is keep the belts cinched up tight; then you won't feel like you are falling out
    but this is uncomfortable and not trail friendly to the body
     
  5. Sep 19, 2004
    mb82

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    i will have 4point harnesses in both front seats of my jeep when it gets done. i never thought about the passenger guess i just figured if they dont like getting bounced around they can just sinch the belts down a little tighter.
     
  6. Sep 19, 2004
    willysnut

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    I ordered several of the nylon strap type from quadratech 25 bucks-pr. and put them on the front cage for the passenger and on the rear support bars for the rear seat passenger. I also have seen grab bars offered that weld to the roll cage kinda like a gusset but don't remember who had them.
     
  7. Sep 19, 2004
    cla451

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    I've been having this internal dialouge with myself for some time now...

    My conclusions are this:

    Soft "wrap around the rollbar" type handles just do not cut it for me. They offer something to pull on, but in a rollover, you want to be pushing yourself in to the seat - this type will just mash your knuckes into the bar.

    The "oh S#it" handle at the dash is ok - if you are buckled in tight.

    I'm looking to add a peice of 3/4" round tube from my vertical roll bar to the horizontal bar running toward the back roll hoop. I'd like to put a slight bend in towards the cab to provide plenty of knuckle clearance. Of course, you need to have a full cage - not one that ties in to the winndsheild.

    A buddy of mine did this and, as a passenger, it give me great comfort. It helps getting in to the raised rig, and feels like if I had one hand on that bar, and one hand on the dash "oh s#it" bar, I'd do pretty well in a rollover.
     
  8. Sep 19, 2004
    James P. Enderwies

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    This is one of the first things I put in my Jeep. Got them on sale from Qteck or someplace like that. Not perfect, but better than grabing the bar. Main thing they are good for is entry.
     
  9. Sep 20, 2004
    dauntless_powered

    dauntless_powered SUB Chief

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    i have 5 points in both seats, if we get into somethng that looks hairy, we just sinch up real tight
     
  10. Sep 20, 2004
    FlyingTheDunes

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    Thanks everybody for the suggestions. Jim, that picture looks great! I'll check around . . . those nylon straps people here are suggesting appear be a good temporary solution!
     
  11. Sep 20, 2004
    JohnyJeep

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    AHHH the heck with it just wrap your passenger with bubble wrap all around and throw them in the seat. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
  12. Sep 20, 2004
    mb82

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    and remember to tell them when they fall out "tuck and roll tuck and roll" anyone who used to watch titus would remember that line.
     
  13. Sep 20, 2004
    speedbuggy

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    That's a nice set-up Jim.

    I think I'll incorporate that into the new cage design. ;)
     
  14. Sep 21, 2004
    SouthWest 67-5

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    How about this option.

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    This isn't mine, I found it on the web some where.
     
  15. Sep 21, 2004
    JohnyJeep

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    That's not a bad idea there.

    I ran across some great handles here at work. HMMM I wonder if they would miss a couple of them. :twisted: I'll post pics later.
     
  16. Sep 21, 2004
    speedbuggy

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    That looks good too, Wayne. I hadn't really thought about this until now but I will incorporate grab handles in my new cage design.
     
  17. Sep 21, 2004
    Boyink

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    One note about those handles...

    Don't mount them hanging straight vertically under the bar. Worth has them in 615 that way, and there's enough flex in the Jeep that right at the nastiest part of the trail when you're using them, the soft top will come bite your knuckles at times... :shock: Mount them with an angle to the inside and you should be fine.

    FWIW, I think those are great for entry/exit, but not so much for while wheeling. Fingers and hands are still too close to the outer cage for comfort, and seems like something that would help the passenger feel like they were holding themselves in their seat would be best.

    Maybe this is what John was talking about, but I've seen prerunner trucks with "handlebars" that came up on each side of the seat with BMX Bike grips on the end (can't dig up a picture at the moment). So if you were sitting in the seat, the bars would be just outboard of your thighs. This location looked great - hands are further inside the cage, and it let you use your bicepts as a passenger to hold on.

    'Course MsBoyink was sitting next to me while I typed this...so now may have to work such a setup into SSDutch. I suppose they could be made to be removeable....

    Might not be a bad idea to scheme up something similar for the back seat.
     
  18. Sep 21, 2004
    spud

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    Did'nt the Subaru Brat rear seats have the handlebars on them??? Could you canabalize a set and fab something up from those??? :)
     
  19. Sep 21, 2004
    Boyink

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    Good call Spud!

    [​IMG]

    They'd be hard to find around here, but the concept would be the same....

    Incidentally, did you know that Subaru never really intended anyone to sit in those seats? IIRC The only reason they were there was they allowed Subaru to import the Brat as a 4 seater, which was cheaper than as a truck.
     
  20. Sep 21, 2004
    speedbuggy

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    Another good idea....

    But wouldn't the natural movement be to grab the cage even if those handle bars were there? Think about all of your times as a passenger.

    What if those handle bars were moveable and would lock in place? Kinda like the coasters at Cedar Point. Could something like that be designed?? Just a thought...
     
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