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Greetings...and Cj5 Clutch Issue

Discussion in 'Early CJ-5 and CJ-6 Tech' started by Siege '69, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. Jul 19, 2019
    Siege '69

    Siege '69 Air Force Vet; F-15 Junkie

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    Well… I finally have the old retractable cable guide (pictured above) removed from the mounting bracket and started to finish connecting the ball-end of the the adjuster to the t/o fork. However, I'm about a 1/2 inch too short of the socket (??). No matter what I do I can't get them to come together. Any thoughts?
     
  2. Jul 19, 2019
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    Was the replacement cable the same overall length?
    Should be around 58-1/4" long.
    Maybe the hack bracket on the transfer case is to blame?
     
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  3. Jul 19, 2019
    Walt Couch

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    I would believe this to be the problem..
     
  4. Jul 19, 2019
    Siege '69

    Siege '69 Air Force Vet; F-15 Junkie

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    Thanks for your input fellas. I/we finally ended up finally getting the cable installed by reversing the installation sequence --- removing it where it attaches at the clutch pedal control arm and attaching it first to the t/o fork and then to the control arm. I cant believe I didn't try that sooner...

    However...the new clutch cable had NO effect. After installation, I attempted a test-drive and didn't even get out of the driveway. I could have, but I wouldn't have gotten very far. As soon as I attempted to shift in reverse there was a subtle grind before it went into gear. I knew immediately it was 'back to the drawing board'. So I decided to just let the Jeep run and experiment with a few gear sequences to see what would happen. Here's how it played out:

    • Pushed clutch, attempted reverse -- big grind. All other gears fine. Back to neutral.
    • Sat for a minute, pushed clutch, attempted reverse -- big grind. Al other gears fine (1st would catch only slightly). Back to neutral.
    • Sat for a minute, pushed clutch, attempted reverse -- big grind. Back to neutral. Pushed clutch, counted 5 seconds (with clutch in) attempted reverse -- no problem. Back to neutral.
    • Sat for a minute, pushed clutch, counted 3 seconds (with clutch in), attempted reverse -- no problem. Back to neutral.
    • Sat for a minute, pushed clutch, counted 2 seconds (with clutch in), attempted reverse -- very slight grind. Back to neutral.
    • Sat for a minute, pushed clutch, immediately attempted reverse -- big grind.
    This same sequence with all other gears revealed little if any problem.

    So...my tiny mind concludes that my clutch is dragging, possibly the pilot bearing has failed or the clutch disk is warped. Would love to have some much greater minds weigh in on this for me. Thanks...
     
  5. Jul 20, 2019
    Siege '69

    Siege '69 Air Force Vet; F-15 Junkie

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    Update: I think I may have isolated the issue above to inadequate adjustment on the new clutch cable. I tightened the cable a few more turns this morning to make the clutch release earlier, and the test drive that followed went smoothly (though I still need to pause with the clutch pedal in for a couple of seconds before selecting reverse). I'm hoping I haven't tightened the cable too far -- I have about an inch or so of play in the pedal.
     
  6. Jul 20, 2019
    timgr

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    This is normal. You must disconnect from the engine and wait for the gears to stop spinning before you engage reverse. Forward gears are synchromesh type and will match speeds as they mesh and not clash.
     
  7. Jul 20, 2019
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    IMHO that's a bit on the high side, 1/2" - 3/4" would be a bit more like it.
     
  8. Jul 20, 2019
    TIm E

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    X2. What Howard said.
     
  9. Jul 20, 2019
    Siege '69

    Siege '69 Air Force Vet; F-15 Junkie

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    Thanks again, gents. This has been a real learning process for me and I have deeply appreciated everyone's thoughtful input. Cant thank you all enough...
    Howard/Tim: I've adjusted the cable down to "1/2" - "3/4" inch. Thanks.
     
  10. Jul 24, 2019
    Rick Whitson

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    My T 90 has no synchronizers in first or reverse, so out of habit I put it in second to stop the trans from spinning and then go to reverse, works for me anyway. Good Luck.
     
  11. Jul 27, 2019
    Siege '69

    Siege '69 Air Force Vet; F-15 Junkie

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    Rick: I started implementing your suggestion today. Seems to work well! Thanks for the tip.
     

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