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Flanged axle removal??

Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by neptco19, Oct 15, 2005.

  1. Nov 3, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    If you have the old cam-style adjusters (and I think you do, since you have the bolts at 3- and 9-o'clock) there should be a second pair of cam adjusters down at 6-o'clock also. They will be recessed more into the backing plate, and if it's full of crud you might miss them.

    Anyway, just backing the nut off is only the first step; You will have to use a pair of vise-grips to turn the stud itself, which will back off the adjustment. The nut is only a lock-nut to hold the adjustment. Once you get the cams backed off, the hub/drum should slide off fairly easily.
     
  2. Nov 3, 2005
    electricontr

    electricontr Member

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    Now I'm really confused. Your first post says you're working on the drivers side rear drum but now you say that it has hubs with two big nuts that you removed. That tells me you must have full floating rear axles to have hubs. If you bolt thhe wheel back on can you turn it? If you can, the shoes aren't rusted to the drum.
     
  3. Nov 3, 2005
    neptco19

    neptco19 That guy....

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    When I originaly started this thread it was my drivers side rear. And OldJeeps has asked another question about removing a front drum. That is why we were asking if he has dissasembled the hub. So yes if you read the first part of the thread then jump to the last response it will not make much sense.
     
  4. Nov 3, 2005
    oldjeeps

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    Thanks; I'll have to go digging in the crud (at least I think there's crud there) to see if there is a second pair of cam adjusters.

    As for the two that I have loose, once the lock-nut was backed off they seemed fairly "floppy", but I'll double check that they are backed off as much as possible.

    Hopefully that will do the trick and if it doesn’t I’ll be back at the start of next week with an update.
     
  5. Nov 3, 2005
    oldjeeps

    oldjeeps New Member

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    Sorry for confusing things.
     
  6. Nov 5, 2005
    oldjeeps

    oldjeeps New Member

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    How many different styles of adjusters are out there?

    I took a close look at the 6 o'clock position on the uncooperative cj6 and didn't see any bolts sticking through. What was there looked and felt like the heads of a couple of rivets. What's going on with this jeep?

    Since I wasn't sure what to make of this finding I made the rounds of other portions of the collection with the following results:
    46 CJ2A - didn't look at (also has a frozen front left = next project)
    47 CJ2A - adjuster nuts at 3, 6, and 9 o'clock on the backing plate
    47 CJ2A - adjuster nuts at 3, 6, and 9 o'clock on the backing plate
    ?? CJ6 (current project) - adjuster nuts at 3 & 9 o'clock with a pair of what look like rivet heads at 6 o'clock
    ?? M38A1 - adjuster nuts at 3 & 9 o'clock with a pair of what look like rivet heads at 6 o'clock
    ?? CJ6 - backing plate has access holes for the star wheel adjuster

    Does anyone have any thoughts on how to proceed on this uncooperative CJ6?
     
  7. Nov 5, 2005
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    the ones with the 3 and 9 position are the 'late' style 9" brakes. the one with the hole for the star wheel are either a 10 or 11" brake. pics would help.
     
  8. Nov 6, 2005
    oldjeeps

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    Will try for some pictures, but it will be a while because I forgot my camera this weekend and life is about to get really busy for a few weeks.

    But the question remains, what's the deal with the ones with what look/feel like rivet heads (or perhaps the head of a carriage bolt) at the 6 o'clock position?
     
  9. Nov 6, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    for early CJs, 2 styles I am aware of
    CJ2A and 3A have 2 large threaded bolts at the bottom
    nuts and lockwashers go thru the backing plate
    the 2 bottom bolts are the shoe anchor pivot bolts; they do not adjust
    for CJ3B, CJ5 CJ6 the first pic below
    the rivets merely hold the lower shoe anchor plate to the backing plate
     
  10. Nov 6, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    I can tell you that my '48 '2A is the bottom design Jim posted, and most definitely has eccentrics in the bottom bolts for adjustment. Page 92 of my CJ-2A FSM shows the 'minor' adjustment being made at the 3- and 9- o'clock bolts, while the 'major' adjustment is done at the 6-o'clock bolts.

    If you look closely at item # 10 in the diagram (the right side shows it better than the left) there is definitely an eccentric on the bushing that floats between the pin and the brake shoe mounting hole.
     
  11. Nov 6, 2005
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    I stand corrected.
    the bushing fits over the bolt and acts as the eccentric for the adjustment when the bolt is turned.
    Thanks Steve
     
  12. Nov 6, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    No problem Jim, thanks again for the great info!

    (One day I'll have a working scanner at home.) :rofl:
     
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