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Fino's Sbc Build

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by FinoCJ, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. Sep 29, 2020
    Keys5a

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    I've found more 010 blocks with 4 bolt mains than without. It depends on what it came out of. Some of the plain passenger cars came 2 bolt, but just about every truck came 4 bolt. The 010 blocks ran from '69 through the early/mid'80s.
    -Donny
     
  2. Sep 29, 2020
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    Small steps....got it washed off and mounted on a stand....Begun disassembly....
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    Here is what I think I need to do for basic inspection, and hopefully re-assembly with new gaskets and a few new pieces if needed.
    1) Remove VCs and inspect the valve train
    2) Remove the heads and inspect the cylinder walls, rings and piston surface
    3) Remove the timing cover and inspect the timing chain and gears
    4) Remove the pan and inspect the bottom end

    Question 1: Valve covers are removed (intake still on), anything specific I want to look at before removing the intake and heads? Leak down test?
    Question 2: I expect I want to remove the heads and keep them as intact as possible...But no matter what I have to remove the rocker nut and pushrods, correct? Plus I can check to see if they are bent at all....
    Question 3: Are the pushrod ends considered wear mated with the rocker arms etc - they should be kept matched with the same rocker arm, in the same orientation, and of course for the same valve etc?
     
  3. Sep 29, 2020
    73 cj5

    73 cj5 Not ready for the junkyard yet

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    You don't have to keep the rocker arms and pushrods together. You can take the heads off without removing the rockers if you wanted to. If you put solvent in the exhaust/intake ports on the heads you can leak check them that way. If you really want to tell the condition of your parts I recommend a dial bore gauge and micrometers. You can strip an sbc in 30 minutes give or take a few minutes.
     
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  4. Sep 30, 2020
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    James - do a compression test before going any further - both dry and wet after the rings have soaked for a bit. You will want to know that 'just in case' you see something in the teardown.
     
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  5. Sep 30, 2020
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    Rings have soaked, and nothing is stuck, everything is free. But I am concerned about turning it over much (by hand) without lubrication on the crank and main bearings. Should I fill the crankcase with oil - I can spin the oil pump with drill to flow oil up to through the galleys etc if needed. Finally, Its pretty easy to do a leakdown test with it on the stand (but haven't wanted to turn it by hand to close the vavles due to the above concern with lubricating the main bearings etc) but not sure how to 'crank' it to mimic a compression test....I might have to research that one a little bit.
     
  6. Sep 30, 2020
    Warloch

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    I'd spin up the oil pressure - typically I do it with an adaptor I have to the pump that fits my drill. I've even plumbed in a mechanical gauge at times (and I would here too) to see what I can get it up to - usually over 10 is my target before spinning things.
     
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  7. Sep 30, 2020
    Warloch

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    Oh - and if you can con the wife to keep the drill going - turn the crank by hand a few times (plugs out) via ratchet on the crank to lube things on the bottom a bit.
     
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  8. Sep 30, 2020
    FinoCJ

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    Perfect....I have the drill-oil pump thingy.
     
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  9. Sep 30, 2020
    CharlesC83

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    What intake will you be running?
     
  10. Sep 30, 2020
    FinoCJ

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    I only have two - both OEM from different time periods. I have a 60s(?) spreadbore and a late 70s spreadbore. I am assuming the 60s one was originally on a 283, and late 70s is probably the original equipment on the 78 350. I don't know if there is any difference in the physical dimensions or routing of the intake runners - but they are pretty similar at first glance. Assuming they are the same, the 60's spread bore does not have any of the emissions tubing or EGR valve type stuff integrated into it that the 78 does, and I have an early q-jet carb without the emissions as well (they are what are on the 283 in the wagon right now) so planning to go that route I think, just to avoid some of the emissions stuff. No intention to go aftermarket, performance etc...
     
  11. Sep 30, 2020
    CharlesC83

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    Sounds good. Was just gonna advise if using an edelbrock intake to check the sealing surface angles. Ive been bit by that. And not using edelbrocks gaskets with sealant.
     
  12. Oct 7, 2020
    FinoCJ

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    Got the intake and heads off...no obvious ridge at the top of the cylinders, and no immediately obvious issues with the cylinders that I can see so far.....here are some pictures...will get pics of the heads and valves up tomorrow...
    driver bank:
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    passenger bank:
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    cylinders 2 and 4:
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    cylinder 3:
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  13. Oct 8, 2020
    FinoCJ

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    Ok - here is the passenger side head right off the block:
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    some carbon build-up on the valves - not sure how aggressive to be with cleaning that up by hand?
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    After the initial clean-up - which included warm soapy water and nylon bristle brush, and then some work with brake cleaner and a light coating of WD40:
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    Valves still show the carbon build-up - I don't have a big enough tub/sink to soak them in with soapy water, and not sure how much I can mechanically scrape or remove the carbon without damaging? I am not intending to take these in for a valve work unless someone see too much of an issue? Just trying to clean them up.
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  14. Oct 8, 2020
    73 cj5

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    If you want to clean them, remove the valves and use a wire wheel or blasting media. Stay off the stem where it rides in the guide. Good insurance to replace valve stem seals.
     
  15. Oct 8, 2020
    Ohiowrangler

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    X2 on the valve seals and a good time to clean the back side of the valves. Ron
     
  16. Oct 8, 2020
    Fireball

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    I've had decent luck with brake cleaner removing the carbon build up if you let it soak for a bit. Agree you should remove the valves for a thorough cleaning and new seals.
     
  17. Oct 8, 2020
    FinoCJ

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    I'll look into valve seals - would have to get the valve spring compressor tool as well...somewhere in the past I've looked into valve seals and remember a bunch of discussion about 'umbrella' vs 'viton' vs 'positive etc...have to see what is appropriate for this scenario. Supposedly, there is only 12k on this engine, but there is a lot of carbon build-up - not sure if the EGR system was functioning properly - I am intending to go without one - but will run a PCV. So far, it seems like this should be a clean and put back together, but still have to see the bottom end....
     
  18. Oct 9, 2020
    Warloch

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    James - I've used a brass brush and brake cleaner. You can also spray with a cheap oven cleaner with warm water in a spray bottle to clean up. Those do look more built up than I would have expected, but if the seats look good I'd just clean them up.
     
  19. Oct 9, 2020
    FinoCJ

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    A bit more....all from #1 cylinder.
    Here is this exhaust valve:
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    The intake valve:
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    and the valve seats:
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    I don't really know what I am looking for, other than there is quite a bit of carbon build up....will try cleaning the valves without damaging the stems...is it okay to use a powered wire wheel? Same for the valve seats? thanks
     
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  20. Oct 9, 2020
    73 cj5

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    Get a torch and burn the carbon out or pressure wash the head with a good degreaser. Yes, a power wire wheel is fine on the valves. Just stay off the stem. Lap the valves to see how they're seating. Maybe it's the carbon but the seats look pitted. You can use a wire brush to clean the combustion chambers too.
     
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