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F134 Tick At Idle

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by kenb, May 2, 2020.

  1. May 2, 2020
    kenb

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    Hello,

    I recently noticed a ticking sound from my engine at idle and now I can't unhear it. I'm not sure if it has always been there of if I just noticed it now that I fixed other squeaks and rattles. It sounded at first like it was coming from the water pump area but after using a stethoscope it sure seems like it's from the rocker arm cover.
    Here are some particulars about the engine:
    It was rebuilt at some point in the past. Block was machined so no serial number left
    Starts, idles, runs good. Good power and no smoke
    Makes about 30PSI oil pressure at 2300RPM cruise
    I adjusted all the valves and no change to the noise
    Spark plugs looked good and even when I pulled them

    Here's a professionally produced video of the engine at warm idle:


    Any thoughts on this?

    Thanks,
    Ken
     
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    Twin2

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    exhaust leak or a lifter
     
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    Glenn

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    I agree with checking for an exhaust leak. To me it sounds to frequent to be a tappet noise.
     
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    Lockman

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    Agree with the fellah's above.... Could be either. To me , it sounds more like a lifter ?
     
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    Glenn

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    Actually I hear more than one type of noise. Did you adjust/check the exhaust valves too?
     
  6. May 3, 2020
    kenb

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    Thanks for the replies. I adjusted both intake and exhaust valves prior to the video.
    I did find an exhaust leak but it was pretty far downstream. It's a M38A1, the leak I found was at the joint down near the bellhousing. I'll order a gasket and correct that since it's a 3 bolt gasket you can't get locally. I'll need to check more upstream from there. Would this sort of noise be a manifold to block leak?
    As far as a lifter issue, is there much to be done about that short of a major teardown of the engine?
     
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    Glenn

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    Yes it could be at the manifold to block, and that can make it hard to detect.
     
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    Lockman

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    Use a piece of 1" PVC pipe and listen around the manifold area . If there's a crack , you'll here a concentrated ' Tick sound ' on the exhaust stroke. A blown exhaust manifold gasket can cause the sound, also. Did the engine rebuilder use one?
    You can check for a lifter by removing the valve cover , place rags around the head and idle the engine. Then use your tube & direct it toward any of the vale train that looks a little low or loose . Either fix should not require a " Major Teardown " of the engine. I'm not that familiar with F134, but you may be able to just remove your intake manifold to R & R the lifter's ?
     
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    Glenn

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    Intake is part of the head. :)
     
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    Lockman

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    Right..... Sorry about that . :oops:
     
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    Lockman

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    So can one access the lifters under the side cover ? ( # 60 )
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    Never mind my original diagnosis here , Please.
    I must research before offering guess's . God help me. There are no lifters on a F134. IMO, Tappets would not make the sound in the Video. Exhaust manifold crack or Gasket leak is the sound.
     
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    Glenn

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    Exactly my thought. It's not a solid sound but more of a exhaust leak like you say. My 3B has an exhaust manifold leak I need to fix, it sounds just like that.
     
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    kenb

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    So I took the fan and alternator belt off and the ticking stopped. Seems more like it's coming from the water pump. Thoughts? Thanks
     
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    F-head has solid flat tappets.
     
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    Maybe the belt? It happens.

    If it is any of those three accessories, you should be able to locate a bad bearing instantly with a stethoscope, or even a wooden dowel pressed to the housings.
     
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    Glenn

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    I'd bet on a bad spot on the belt.
     
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    Glenn

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    Is it by chance leaking out the weep hole on the water pump?
     
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    kenb

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    Water pump is dry. Turned out that the fan and pulley were loose. Previous owner for some reason used Phillips head screws to attach. After much wrestling with a Phillips bit in a 1/4 inch wrench I got them out and reattached with hex head bolts. Tapping went away. I think I got off lucky. Thanks everyone for the input.
     
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    That was gonna be my next guess... :D

    Good to find and fix, with no big expense.
     
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