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F134 Oil Pan Gasket And Broken Bolt

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Simplegreen21, May 12, 2017.

  1. May 12, 2017
    Simplegreen21

    Simplegreen21 New Member

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    Hello,

    I recently tried to replace my rear main seal and in the process broke off a bolt head for the oil pan. I am going to try to pull the oil pan again and drill out the broken bolt. I replaced the gasket with a cork gasket, but I wanted to check and see what you guys recommended. Is cork the best gasket for this? Should I add anything else to the gasket? The manual I have says to torque bolts to 12 to 15 lb-ft, does that seem correct? Finally, I imagine I may have warped the pan a bit when I over torqued the bolts. Any tips or tricks to getting the pan back in good shape?

    Thanks!
    Eric
     
  2. May 12, 2017
    jeepstar

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    RTV should be more than enough. And you're tightening a metal pan against the metal surface so it should self straighten. Get a really nice hardened drill bit in drill out that broken bolt. use a center punch and hit a piloting hole in the center before you start to drill. Then use an easy out
     
  3. May 12, 2017
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Take a ball peen hammer & tap down around the bolt holes in the pan to get them flush.

    Personally I use the cork gaskets with a skim coat of gasket whateverishandy. Some people skim coat only one side to make removal easier, my thoughts are if the pan is going on & off that often you should probably be paying someone else to get it right the first time. :whistle:

    H.
     
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  4. May 12, 2017
    PeteL

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    I hate RTV. I'd put a skim of permatex #2 on one side.

    Or I'd do what the old timers did with corkā€¦ a skim of grease on each side will help the gasket conform and seal, same as the lube on an O-ring does.

    A cork gasket does not benefit from over-tightening, and those small diameter fasteners are low torque anyway. 12 pounds torque is a lot less than you think.

    Like Howard says, you can un-dimple the bolt holes from the inside, while the pan is off.

    Welcome to the forum.
     
  5. May 12, 2017
    Walt Couch

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    If you think you need to use permatex on the gasket then put it on the side that goes to the part that is removed for easier cleaning. Personally I use thin coat of grease and have for over a half century.
     
  6. May 12, 2017
    Simplegreen21

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    Thanks for all the tips! hopefully I will have sometime next week to get it fixed up.
     
  7. May 12, 2017
    Greevesman

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    Use a Felpro pan gasket. I use the old favorite Gaskacinch. By the way, on my F134 it seemed the two rearmost pan bolts needed to be about 1/8" shorter than the others. If I used the regular length bolts they would bottom and there would be a leak. Measure the depth of the holes. FSM says 12 to 15#
     
  8. May 12, 2017
    Greevesman

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    And good luck with the easy out. Never had much luck with them. If you can get a left handed drill bit sometimes that will turn it out.
     
  9. May 13, 2017
    Rick Whitson

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    What Greevesman says, I have a set of left hand drills, and almost every time they will spin out a broken bolt if it is not bottomed out. It is most important that you get it center punched dead center first, I take a real small center punch so I can see that I am in the center, make a dimple first, then use a larger one to make one that hold the drill bit in the center, works for me.
    Good luck, hope this helps.
     
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