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F134 - Engine Dies After Several Minutes

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by 1968CJ5F134, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. Jul 22, 2017
    ITLKSEZ

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    Any chance the regulator is allowing too much juice? Maybe that's what's heating the coil?
     
  2. Jul 22, 2017
    Jrobz23

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    When it dies can it start immediately back up or must it cool off?

    Yeah, do you have a voltage gauge?
     
  3. Jul 22, 2017
    PeteL

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    I would like to see a vacuum guage on the intake manifold, monitored as the procees proceeds from cold-to-hot-to-dead. Sticking valves, plugged exhaust?
     
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  4. Jul 22, 2017
    Glenn

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    Definitely try this too.

    Please verify the point gap....should be .020.

    I'm curious, you say the generator gets hot? Too hot to touch? How about the wires to the regulator? Do they get hot?
     
  5. Jul 22, 2017
    1960willyscj5

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    Still say it acts like a coil gone bad.
     
  6. Jul 22, 2017
    Glenn

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    Agreed, it certainly does and I don't think anyone has ruled it out. Thing is that he replaced it too.
     
  7. Jul 22, 2017
    ITLKSEZ

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    If it's getting too high voltage to the coil, it might've fried every one that was put in. Grasping at straws, but possible.
     
  8. Jul 22, 2017
    Glenn

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    I totally agree. He verified it was good previously, but definitely needs to verify it again.
     
  9. Jul 22, 2017
    1968CJ5F134

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    Yes, I can start it up immediately the first few times it happens.. then it gets harder (as things get hotter?) . I have uploaded 2 videos showing fuel going into carb and they were shot right after each other. First video medium gas, second more gas (second time it dies quicker, not sure if because of more gas or the heat (or whatever the issue is) getting to it the second time round





    This video shows spark tester still running after the engine starts to die..




    no voltage gauge.


    This in theory could be true... what would give the coil too much voltage ?

    points are good. I also put in the original coil (w external ballast) this morning and same issue.

    Generator is not to hot to touch and wires are all 'cold'

    One more video to hopefully explain...

     
  10. Jul 22, 2017
    1968CJ5F134

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    I like the idea of looking at sticking valves/plugged exhaust; silly question - > how do I check all that ? Regular compression test is showing 135 on all 4 cylinders.

    I do have some vapor coming up from carb and also out of the air filter (coming up from dip stick into air filter) at times... nothing crazy and not all the time.. but I always thought this was normal or acceptable.
     
  11. Jul 22, 2017
    Glenn

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    To me it seemed like the spark seemed to get intermittent and the engine died at the same time. And of course I realize as the engine slowed down so did the spark. If the plugs aren't black/sooty then it isn't too much gas being the problem. Have you tried the spark tester on the other 3 wires? You should be able to determine by feel if the exhaust seems plugged. It sure seems to me that the engine would start missing badly but not quit with that amount of spark.
     
  12. Jul 22, 2017
    Glenn

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    Your compression is good. Did you take the readings with the engine cold? I'm beginning to wonder about valve adjustment? Especially exhaust valves, maybe when it heats up they don't actually close?
     
  13. Jul 22, 2017
    PeteL

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    Vacuum guage.
     
  14. Jul 22, 2017
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    12 volt coil?
     
  15. Jul 22, 2017
    1968CJ5F134

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    Not just wires on generator but all wires in engine bay are cold....

    I'm also thinking the clamp around the coil is touching the engine.. obviously this makes it very hot as well. Can the clamp/engine be making the coil to get to hot and be an issue ? I wouldn't think so ...

    I will
    Will need to get my hands on one. Might be a while.
    Yes

    Readings taken at a few minutes of running. I recall that was the method.

    I have the cover off and will redo adjustments on both intake and exhaust
     
  16. Jul 22, 2017
    Glenn

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    That's the factory design, so it shouldn't be a problem but....it wouldn't hurt to try it with a coil not mounted to the engine. Just tie it/hang it as far as the wires will reach so you can eliminate the heat of the engine block being a factor. Definitely try one thing at a time of course.
     
  17. Jul 25, 2017
    1968CJ5F134

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    I did actually move the coil to the side fender and it did not get as hot but the issue was still there...
    Also checked all valves gaps and everything was still spot on. Will not be working on the jeep until weekend so no further updates from my side. Thanks everyone so far.
     
  18. Jul 25, 2017
    ITLKSEZ

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    I would try unhooking the generator and just allow it to run on the battery for a test cycle.

    (If your coil isn't already fried,) this would rule out the generator/regulator.
     
  19. Jul 25, 2017
    Jrobz23

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    Bypass chassis wiring and run a 12v source directly to the coil (or ballast res if externally resisted). Run spark grounds directly to the battery. this will help you completely rule out all chassis wiring getting in the way of spark.

    This will also rule out the battery or narrow it down to it.
     
  20. Jul 25, 2017
    Jrobz23

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    A good route would be if you were able to get 12v DC from a converter from regular AC house/grid power. This way you can rule out the battery and bypass it entirely to test JUST the spark equipment.
     
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