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Doors! its the law!

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by Sparky74cj, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. Jul 26, 2010
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Well - if 'equal to that at the time of original vehicle manufacture' is applied I know flatties are exempt.

    As to attitudes of LEO in some of the situations it was kind of nice when a judge made an officer pay a $50 contempt charge fine for the ticket he wrote me.

    It was a ’49 Willys and it was sitting outside a restaurant. The sheriff’s deputy waited for the ‘occupant’ to come out of the restaurant so he could issue a citation for only having one tail light on the vehicle. On the stand he then stated that I was uncooperative in my attitude by informing said officer that Willys jeeps of this time only came with one tail light, and as such was not required to have a second as long as I used proper hand signals for turns. On my cross examination I asked him if he could remember the exact wording I used that made him conclude I was being ‘uncooperative’. He stated it was not the wording, it was ‘just the fact that I questioned his authority and judgment of the law’

    I asked the judge if he needed a picture of the factory ’49 to enter into evidence. The judge responded no… I then asked if I was allowed to ask for recourse against such a blatant abuse of authority (knowing full well I could not, just wanting to make the point, and not being an attorney knew I could get away with it) – while said Deputy fumed and got madder all the while. In the judge’s ruling he stated his expectation for LEOs in his jurisdiction to know the law and have the ability to apply it correctly. A letter will be written to the Sheriff’s Office to ‘assist in training’ for those who needed further instruction. He then stated he was fining the Officer $50 for contempt so he would learn not to waste the courts time in the future (I refused the plea deal the DA offered and he was not smart enough to look at the facts of the case before the hearing).

    Now this was not where I was living at the time, I am pretty sure the Deputy got the message as my cousin’s who do live there said he stopped being such an A hole and listened from then on.
     
  2. Jul 31, 2010
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    (2) The hood, hood latches, hood fastenings, doors, and door latches shall be maintained in a condition sufficient to ensure proper working equal to that at the time of original vehicle manufacture.

    the way i read this is you must have doors end of story. sorry jeeps! but on the other hand i understand that you could run tube doors if they mount to your factory hinges and positively latch closed and arent like bungied closed or something like that.


    Here's another example of a LEO misunderstanding the law. Read
    "The hood, hood latches, hood fastenings, doors, and door latches shall be maintained in a condition sufficient to ensure proper working equal to that at the time of original vehicle manufacture[."

    But yet he goes on to say "the way i read this is you must have doors end of story. "
    He's not paying attention to his own darn post!
     
  3. Jul 31, 2010
    timgr

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    Yes - there were doors on the Jeep at the time of manufacture ... but they don't open and close! The doors are cut-outs in the body so that you can enter and exit. Lack of swinging doors is completely within the letter of the law, by my reading.
     
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