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Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by Andy4802, Aug 8, 2007.

  1. Aug 8, 2007
    Andy4802

    Andy4802 Canadian Jeep junkie

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    originally i thought the bad starter was killing my battery. Starter works great now since i rebuilt it a couple days ago.
    Last night i went to fire up the jeep and found that the battery is dead... so its draining while its not running...

    I'm assuming its a short, so i'll go through the electrical system to see if i can find it, but my question is.. could this be caused by anything other than an electrical short? The battery is a 2-3 year old optima.
     
  2. Aug 8, 2007
    panzer

    panzer Super Mod Staff Member

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    Diode in the alternator might be bad. Just went through this w/ my original alt.
    The diode lets current flow in one direction only. If it's cooked it will let the current
    flow the other. Draining your battery. Might start there. Hope it helps.
     
  3. Aug 8, 2007
    Andy4802

    Andy4802 Canadian Jeep junkie

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    i forgot to mention i have a 1 wire alt... installed about a year ago
     
  4. Aug 8, 2007
    timgr

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    If there's a short somewhere, it will show up as current on your multimeter. Meter on "amps", disconnect battery cable, measure current from the cable end to its post.

    I hear a test light works too, but I would prefer the meter.
     
  5. Aug 8, 2007
    packrat2A

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    The off-road guys are finding that the newer (7 year-ish) optima batteries are not as good as the older ones. Lots of problems with draining off, and not holding a charge. How old is your Optima?
     
  6. Aug 8, 2007
    Andy4802

    Andy4802 Canadian Jeep junkie

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    2-3 years
     
  7. Aug 8, 2007
    packrat2A

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    theres your problem....
     
  8. Aug 8, 2007
    Andy4802

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    i ran it in my DD for a year before putting it in the flattie and never had a prob with it... :?
     
  9. Aug 8, 2007
    lynn

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    I just lost an Optima Red top. 55 months old... my mechanic or one of his guys left a light on (toggle switch). Drained it totally, wouldn't hold a charge after that. Had it tested... dead short. :mad:
    Got about $45 credit toward a new one... but the warranty on the new one is only valid as the remaining warranty on the old one, or the last 18 months of the 72 month original... :rofl:
     
  10. Aug 8, 2007
    junkfood

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    I always like to start simple and work my way up. Have the battery checked at a local parts store. It's free most of the time and the easiest part to check.
    Keith
     
  11. Aug 8, 2007
    w3srl

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    I just had the same thing happen on my old Honda 175. I was working on it in the garage and left the key on overnight; fried the points and killed a nearly new battery. The battery wouldn't hold a decent charge after that and I had to replace it. :mad:
     
  12. Aug 8, 2007
    Glenn

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    I gave up years ago on expecting any more than several years from a battery. At the first sign of trouble, and I'm sure it's the battery I replace it. Beats getting stuck somewhere.
     
  13. Aug 10, 2007
    Andy4802

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    i have run it a few times since my last post and disconnect the battery every time i shut it off... it still holds a charge afterwards. So i'm guessing at this point that it has to be a short. I've put a quick disconnect on the positive post until i can get it figured out. :?
     
  14. Feb 6, 2009
    DAUNTLESS46

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    ive got the same problem in my 46 new wirin new battery new alt no shorts any ideasdead horse
     
  15. Feb 6, 2009
    mdbeck1

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    I had this same thing happen way too often. I finally spent a few bucks on a battery load tester at Harbour Freight. Charge the battery up, run the check. It lets you get a reading on the battery instead of the FLAPS telling you the battery is fine when it isn't.

    You can check the alternator with a spare ammeter. Just put it (temporarily) in between the charge wire and the post on the alternator. After that you have to get a little bit more creative.

    Short term... ...I agree put a cutoff switch in the system. It also makes it harder for someone to steal the Jeep.
     
  16. Feb 7, 2009
    LarryD

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    Walt Couch

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    If you turn everything off and remove the positive batt cable, you then clip the test lite alligator clip to the cable and stick the pointie end into the battery positive post. If the test lite bulb comes on, you have a draw (drain) in the system. You then proceed to disconnect individual items to find the drain. HTH
     
  18. Feb 8, 2009
    w3srl

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    To add to Walt's idea, once you determine that there is a parasitic load you then start disconnecting individual circuits and re-test. Once you've disconnected the offending circuit the drain will stop.
     
  19. Feb 12, 2009
    cpt logger

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    Walts idea works well, It will work on either battery post. I also dissconnect the Ground or Negitive post. To find which circut is the problem, start by pulling fuses, then the non fused circuts. Pull fuses and leave them out until your light goes out. You may have more then one circut that has a short in it. My buddy once cut his wiring harness 4 Wheeling and had a short in his brake lights, his tail lights, AND his horn circut. He kept trying to find the short with this method and could not get the light to go out. He would pull the fuse for the brake lights and the light stayed on. He then put that fuse back in and pulled the tail light fuse, when the light stayed on he put it back in as well. What was happening was that the electricity went thru his tail light circut when he pulled the brake light fuse, and went thru the brake light circut when he pulled the tail light fuse. IHTH, Good luck, Matt W.
     
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