Compressor Shopping

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  1. Oct 10, 2017
    tarry99

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    Keep it simple.............a shut off valve between the source and all the air outlets........a pressure gauge / air-water separator & tool oilier............and if your going to paint ( not custom stuff ) I just have a separate filter and regulator I plug in on that line................and as far as piping.............I've had the same schedule 40 PVC pipe running through the shop for the last 3 decades without a leak , easy to add a location anytime..........Push on hose fittings and rubber hose for the areas that need flex.............I do shut off tank pressure at the end of the day and only run about 135 PSI line pressure.
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  2. Oct 10, 2017
    Focker

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    I've actually reconsidered where it will go. I started making room in the garage yesterday.

    It's going to go where this grey cabinet is.
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    Glenn

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    Good idea on moving it inside.
     
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    timgr

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    Ohhh... Not at all keen on that change. Outside is better. Indoor space is precious, and these machines are fine outdoors. Just drain the tank and lines whenever you shut down. It does not need to be enclosed. Put it outdoors and close it in when you get to it. A chicken wire or hardware cloth enclosure is fine if you can stand the aesthetics.

    Seriously, use black iron pipe. Trivial for a mechanically savvy installer. Look on Garage Journal for more discussion. I respect Tarry's opinion, but it's widely known that PVC for compressed air is dangerous. It's not rated for that pressure, and when it breaks it shatters into sharp pieces.

    And I would never install an oiler. I would much rather put a few drops of oil into my tools before use, rather than have all my lines and hoses contaminated, and have to install an additional filter and regulator to paint.
     
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    Daryl

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    Outside is the only way to go. The wife will make you move it out the very first time it starts so you might as well start outside. Steel piping is really easy and really cheap. The white pvc lines in the shop at dad's are over 40 years old without any ill effects yet. They were installed long before the internet said it is dangerous.
     
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    Glenn

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    Our company strictly prohibited pvc in the '80s after finding out it can shatter. I believe the real problem is with the lower grade and outside/ultra violet rays combination. Maybe schedule 80 and indoors only would be safe for eternity.....I don't know.
     
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    Glenn

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    Moisture in the solid form during cold weather would be my main concern if kept outside.
     
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    Focker

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    My old one went inside the cabinet I built to hide it and the central vac. I was planning on moving the grey cabinet and shop vac inside there. We don't use the old central vac...I was going to remove it.
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    This is what we've been living with since '99...This video doesn't sound as bad as it really is.
     
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    Focker

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    timgr

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    Click on the link here for detailed info.
    Metal Piping eliminates moisture and air volume problems - TP Tools & Equipment

    More about this contentious topic:
    Copper or Black Pipe for Air Lines - The Garage Journal Board
    1/2" or 3/4" air system? - The Garage Journal Board
    PVC pipe air line explodes - The Garage Journal Board

    I don't see the appeal of the nylon tubing... most installations are black iron, and it's easy to install. Promotes condensation in the lines (a good thing). And it's modular - you can take it apart and reuse the pieces in a different configuration should you so choose.
     
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    Glenn

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    Well now that's interesting about the black iron, guess I'll be getting some of that.
     
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    sfrans

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    This Northern Tool is the solution I used. Been happy with it. I did lay the tubing outside in 90* heat to help uncoil it. My compressor is indoors, but then it's a detached garage shop. If I had thought about it I would have built a closet outside. I have seen schedule 40 explode. A piece of steel fell against it. Nobody hurt. We tried it again with no pressure and the steel bounced off. If I was to use PVC it would be schedule 80
     
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    termin8ed

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    I have 2 large compressors right by my hoists at work. If you shut the door to the compressor room it gets well over 100 degrees on a not hot summer day. If they do shut body shop notices right away moisture problems.
    Havent read the links tim posted but I'm sure the black pipe would act like a radiator and help cool the air to get rid of water vapor.
     
  16. Oct 14, 2017
    timgr

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    There's an ongoing debate on GJ about choice of black iron or copper. Both types have their fans, though seems all agree that metal pipe is better for cooling the air and promoting condensation. In terms of cooling, I have not seen any demonstrated superiority of one over the other. I like the modular character of iron, iron is tough, and my impression is it's a little cheaper, but some prefer to solder copper. The copper fans claim that black iron will rust, but I never see that and I almost always see water in my tank and drop. The inside of the tank is bare steel, so it's just as likely to rust as your pipe, and the pipe is pitched to drain to the tank or the drop. I do see a bit of red rust residue in my filter-drier, but never beyond there.
     
  17. Oct 14, 2017
    haighfam

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    When we put the air system in my optical shop, we used copper with a refridgerated air dryer right after the compressor, Ingersoll-Rand 7.5HP 230 single phase two stage 80 gallon, runs 24/7. We the drain compressor every morning before start up. Air dryer has an automatic water drain valve. Never any moisture issues and the air delivers to the machinery at room temperature. Everything is computer controlled so had to be extra cautious with moisture. Our previous location had iron pipe with just a dessicant dryer. Water in the lines was always an issue. Lost a few circuit boards due to it. Running 165lbs through the system with no issues. Best air system I've ever used. Going on 11 years with no problems.
     
  18. Oct 15, 2017
    Focker

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    Made a successful trip to Daryl's yesterday. I pulled up to his house and texted that I was there. I was getting out of my truck and here he comes, driving up the hill from his backyard in his tow truck...It was awesome.

    Loading was easy.
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    I brought a pallet to bolt the compressor to and used 4 tie downs to secure the load.
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    Unloading went smooth too. I called a friend to help, and 3 of my neighbors came over when they saw me pull into the driveway. I backed the truck up against a small hill next to the driveway. This gave us a 10" drop from the tailgate. I strapped the compressor to the pallet and we slid it to ground, then we used a piano dolly to get it into the garage.
     
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    timgr

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    Woohoo!
     
  20. Oct 15, 2017
    dan d

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    KOOL....!

    Cheese head.......:)
     

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