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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by schardein, Dec 25, 2004.

  1. Dec 25, 2004
    schardein

    schardein Low Range Therapy

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    Not sure if this goes in the Fab forum or restoration....

    Had my 16x5 kelsey hayes rims sand blasted..............

    One had some pretty good rust on it (inside) around the valve stem hole...

    I plan to run tubes, 700x16 NDCC tires, on my 416 trailer.

    Can something like this be welded and still be safe?
    It's kinda hard to see, but there are holes on both sides of the valve stem hole, the valve stem hole is slightly enlarged, and the metal is a little thin in the area.
     
  2. Dec 25, 2004
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    I wouldn't worry with tubes.........Just make sure to get the fat stem type
     
  3. Dec 25, 2004
    181jeep

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    Plug weld it, grind it smooth on both sides, then redrill.

    JB
     
  4. Dec 25, 2004
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    if yyou run tubes should be fine, tubeless however.........
     
  5. Dec 26, 2004
    CT

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    The plug and weld then drill method would probally be the best way. I have seen some old farm trailers have someone just tack weld a washer with about the same size as the hole welded on the inside of the rim just over the rusted out vavle stem hole.

    Sure would not use it a daily driver at (near) highway speeds.
     
  6. Dec 26, 2004
    schardein

    schardein Low Range Therapy

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    The funny thing is I have 3 16x5 and 1 16x4.5. It is one of the 16x5 with the holes.

    I would gladly just junk this other 5 if I could find another 4.5, so I could have 2 pair (1 pr for each trailer, mbt and m416), although realistically I don't think 1/2" is going to matter.

    I am planning to replace the hubs and wheels on the M416 with CJ hubs and these rims. Just discovered today the M416 wheel studs are smaller than standard CJ. It is turning into more than I first thought, looks like I am going to have to narrow the axles to keep the tires/rims inside the fenders, as the M416 rims are offset so all the width is towards the inside (middle) of the trailer. I am hoping the bearing/seal surfaces on the M416 match standard drum brake CJ bearing/seals, at least that part will be easy.

    Thanks for the advice. I have some guys at work who I think will hook this up for me, any recommendations on plug welding? Should I expect them to pull out a stick welder, mig, does it matter?
     
  7. Dec 26, 2004
    181jeep

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    if you're anywhere around a metal punch dig thru the slugs till you find the right thickness and diameter and weld it in the hole, if not, saw a piece of 1/2 bolt about 3/16 thick and weld it in. Then grind flush both sides and drill. Mig is easiest.

    JB
     
  8. Dec 26, 2004
    Glenn

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    I had to repair several of mine for the wagon by the washer welded in method. I used a mig and filled in pits and leveled it out around the washers and of course ground everything down. I was kind of leery at first but once I started on them I felt confident they'd be ok. They're the 5" rims, my spare is on a 4.5". 7.50 x 16s, on a 4.5" rim the 7.50 is kinda pushing it, they fit much better on 5". 1/2" doesn't seem like much but it does show up, probably be ok on a trailer though. Forgot to mention one of my rims looked worse than that one pictured. I also see you're going with 7 and not 7.5, should be fine.
     
  9. Dec 26, 2004
    jd7

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    Like Glenn said I have used washers welded in and to date it has worked fine. And if I'm not running a tube I have used tractor valve stems. They have a large base and are threaded where you can crank it down for a good seal.
     
  10. Dec 26, 2004
    schardein

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    I guess I was thinking plug welding was just fill the hole with weld material. I believe there is a metal punch in the shop at work. If not I like the cut bolt suggestion. I am leaning towards plug welding and then redrilling the hole.

    The stock M416 rims were 4.5" wide, I believe that is the recommended width for 7.00x16. The tires I have are used but in good shape and were FREE. Before I stumbled across them I was looking at some new 7.50s, they are a good size tire! I kinda thought it would be pushing it to mount them on a 4.5" rim.

    My (admittedly strange) thought process was to have these four tires/wheels setup for my 2 trailers, and I could pull them off and run them on my -5 if I ever wanted to. When I discovered one rim was a 4.5", that kinda threw me off, and then when I got the rims back from blasting I had the damaged one. At this point I will be happy to convert the 416 to Cj hubs so I can run one type of rim between the 2 trailers and 2 jeeps.

    I have a pair of late cj spare tire rims (15x5.5) (same as I run on my -5) that are on my MBT now. The three good rims are the ones that came with the trailer when I bought it, but I don't know if they are original. The damaged one came from the junkyard for $5. Guess it will still be a good deal once it is repaired.
     
  11. Dec 26, 2004
    speedbuggy

    speedbuggy Looking for a Jeep now

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    Greg- Both the plug weld and the washers will work. I have done both while working on the farm. Do what ever you feel more comfortable with.
     
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