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Build - 1970 CJ5

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by FireFighter0817, Oct 13, 2013.

  1. Aug 3, 2015
    jzeber

    jzeber Well-Known Member 2022 Sponsor

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    I'll have to measure it since I don't remember what the length is. I had the same problem prior to making it. At one time I found a website that had all sorts of different size spacers but I think it is no longer available. You may be able to cut one you have down to work. I'll try to get a measurement tonight.
     
  2. Aug 3, 2015
    Norcal69

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    You may need to get a different fan, one with less blade sticking out of the front of the fan. I am running the Champion cooling CC2374 aluminum 3 core radiator and don't have any fan clearance issues. My fan is a Derale 19115. If I was purchasing another fan, I would go with the 17" instead of the 15" . Over the weekend I got a little warm only when crawling very slow for 30min straight. I will probably just end up building a shroud.
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  3. Aug 3, 2015
    FireFighter0817

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    I like that fan, I wonder if I have clearance for it...
     
  4. Aug 3, 2015
    FireFighter0817

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    Norcal69

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    They have a mechanical drawing of it on the website.
     
  6. Aug 3, 2015
    tarry99

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    Good , I'm glad your open to some dialog on the shackle subject. A vertical or near vertical shackle will having a jacking effect on the spring and frame and will actually stiffen the suspension , notwithstanding if you were to hit an object by the front tire during droop or back into a rock in the rear they could easily go inverted and perhaps even bend the main leaf.

    The springs will probably settle some , but again I believe your initial starting angle is to shallow and even after settling may still not get you where you want to be even after the springs do some relaxing.

    The angle shown below is about 20 degrees which would be a good example of a shackle angle running position with a New spring and the suspension / vehicle fully loaded with whatever weight may be in there on a regular basis.......once fully settled anywhere from 20 + degrees up to 45 degrees as some folks run is acceptable.

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  7. Aug 4, 2015
    FireFighter0817

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    Thanks for looking out, so besides moving the shackle/spring hangers are there other options? Would a shackle like this correct the problem?

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  8. Aug 4, 2015
    FireFighter0817

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    Found it, 1 1/8". Thanks! If I have clearance I'm buying this fan today. Thank you!!
     
  9. Aug 4, 2015
    Norcal69

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    If you have clearance, I would get the 17" if I was doing it over.
     
  10. Aug 4, 2015
    jzeber

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    Still need a measurement?
     
  11. Aug 4, 2015
    tarry99

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    Help ? Correct? Maybe?.........Those are boomerang shackles..........came about to fix a problem the YJ's had in the rear , can be used in the front to limit inversion of the shackle.........made for the wider YJ spring but can be adapted to the narrow spring that you have.

    Here is what's going on....and I assume you have about a 4" Lift spring?.......in order to get the lift the spring has to be re-arced upward which also increases it's stiffness to hold the weight up. This also increases it's overall eye to eye length if the spring were compressed towards flat as compared to a stock spring length.......and that is where the dilemma is with lifted springs without making other changes to the chassis.

    Most folks will have to move the non shackle fixed end to get the shackle in the proper starting angle position , but this can also prove to be detrimental if you were ever to get that longer spring into full compression , which I doubt would happen but if it did the length of the arched spring would be longer than the area between the hangers.......which is not good! Most folks also run a longer shackle when using a lifted spring to allow for the need for the additional compressed length..........much like what you have mentioned above by using the boomerang shackle.

    Correct , Help? .......It really boils down to studying what you have and applying parts to help the issue if in fact you feel there is one?..........I can only tell you that the shackles at both ends will probably go inverted it you were to run into something while the axle is in droop............and if your shackle was properly positioned the ride would improve.

    You live in Florida where it is pretty flat , so perhaps the chances of any rock crawling or tough trails may be non-existent? Run it the way it is and keep an eye on it. If you invert a shackle then fix it...............Nice job & build in either case!
     
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  12. Aug 4, 2015
    FireFighter0817

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    no, I'll go with the derale fan if it'll fit. Thank you though!
     
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    jzeber

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    OK let me know if things change.
     
  14. Aug 4, 2015
    millennium falcon

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    Not to thread jack, But I am a teacher looking for a job in FL, but have no idea where to look and what school districts are any good. I am also really worried My jeep and I will really miss the mountains. What is the jeepin like in your area. Any other info would be awesome! Thanks!
     
  15. Aug 4, 2015
    FireFighter0817

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    I'll PM you.
     
  16. Aug 27, 2015
    FireFighter0817

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    I have been thinking about slightly changing directions on my JEEP. I want to keep its look which is sort of original but I would like it to be more capable so I can participate in the trips and rides with my family and their jeeps. So here we go.

    I came across a great deal on a Dana 30 out of a 73 CJ5 with 3.73 gears. Couldn't resist it and plus I figured I will need something to do over the "cold" months here in FL. So I went to a junkyard and found a power steering pump/bracket off a Buick V8. Then found a Saginaw box from a ZJ, also grabbed the steering shaft and the drag link for the heck of it as it was cheap. So I am starting to hoard parts for the conversion. My mind is on overload with all of this though. There are so many options when it comes to upgrades or parts such as tie rods, axles, knuckles. etc. . It will be a slow conversion over a few months as there will be a newborn come November but I have already started breaking down the 30 as it needs some attention.
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    Anyways, the JEEP is actually in the shop... I hated to do it but I know when to tap out and I needed someone who knows more than I to have a look. I was told it needs a new water pump so I purchased a high flow pump and dropped it off to them yesterday. They are also addressing the carburetor as it has issues apparently amongst other things... Hopefully the water pump was the issue with my temperature...
     
  17. Aug 27, 2015
    tarry99

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    Might want to check that Power steering Pump Bracket..........does not look like what will fit a Buick V6
     
  18. Aug 27, 2015
    FireFighter0817

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    Thanks, I will double check. I did a quick look and that was all... I figured I could make it work if it didn't line up exactly.. If not I will still be able to use the pump and pulley I'm assuming. The 2 mounting holes shown from a quick measurement seemed to line up to 2 holes in the block.
     
  19. Aug 27, 2015
    tarry99

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    Pictured are a Basic Buick V6 and some V8 power steering pump and mount......this would be mounted on the LS drivers side "low" and would not be able to be used with the stock Buick front dump cast iron exhaust manifold.
    They do make a higher version that does work with the front dump manifold , but the ones I have seen / used are aluminum.........The one you have just doesn't look right even for the upper mount..........that bracket hanging off the right side is also confusing at least from my view here????..........Heck try it out and see if it bolts up?? Hope that helps.

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  20. Aug 27, 2015
    FireFighter0817

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    I appreciate the pictures! I pulled it off a 1985 Buick Regal. It's was like a million degrees and I already pulled the other parts. I googled the car a looked at pictures quickly. Knew it was not 100% but honestly I was so miserable out there I could have cared less haha. I'm not in any hurry to get this swap done so when I get the jeep back I'll do some more looking.

    That bracket was spun around and attached to the manifold on the engine I took it off of.
     
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