brake pedal sideways slop

okay, I thing i'm missing a piece on my brake pedal shaft?
jeep drives fine around town, I don't mind the sideways slop however, I do mind the slop when my clutch pedal gets stuck in engaged position... went on trip and near the end my jeep wasn't able to down shift in first and guy in front of me didn't realize there were people behind us and ya it was annoying with bad brake fade... (i'm fixing that)




Yes I know the brake spring is not connected, haha, I was wondering what that spring was for...


I understand that vernco has this article
http://www.vernco.com/51Wagon/
not sure who wrote this one.
http://www.cj3a.info/tech/pedalslack.html

I honestly think i'm missing something? The only thing I can possibly think is the master cylinder heat shield

 

I put some extra washers on the shaft next to the brake pedal arm and took a lot of the slop out. Still works well/

 

looks pretty dry, need to lube the pedals when you do the drive shafts.

 

Was just reading about this last week.

Willys used to supply a kit to repair the slop in the clutch and brake peddle.

What it amounted to was washers that would fit that shaft the peddle arms pivot on to be used as shims a long bolt and two washers to fit the bolt shaft, and two nuts for the bolt to act as a nut/jamnut.

You would remove both of the cotter keys from the shaft ends, put one of the bolt washers on the bolt head end with two or three of the shim washers, slip the bolt through the shaft, slide on one or two shim washers, the other bolt washer and the two nuts, with the clutch and brake arms assembled where they should be, snug up the one nut, then jam the second one to the first. Should take care of the slop.

 

I would carry both clutch and brake pedal to a machine shop and have steel bushing installed on clutch arm and a brass or bronze bushing on brake pedal arm . that fixed mine years ago .

 

On the web,or in a mag.?

 

Well that's good to know that i'm not missing something, I'm surprised that these pedals can get a 1/2 of slop.

I will start looking for stuff that I can use to take care of the slop. I will post up something when I do, it will probably take me a while (hurt my neck)

Thanks for all your help

I agree with "Dan D" I would be interested to find out about this article if it was on web or a magazine, If it was on web is it a new one?

 

Actually I think it was on here. But not sure.
Some one had some old flyers from back in the '60's and it was some kinda dealership thing. All though it might have been one of the other CJ sites, or even something like Kiaser-Willys . I clear my browser history fairly often, and it may not be in that any more, but I can look.

 

Ok, could not find the article I read but did come across this: http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/23Pedal_Repair.jpg

which was referenced from the group over at g503.com http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=40637&start=0

This help?

 

The mentioned article and picture was added to one of my threads. When I get home I will look it up.
I rebuilt mine and added new zerk fittings. Seems mine was completely dry and most likely had been for years. Rebuild parts purchased from Walck's I think but will check.

 

Saw an option for pedal slop last week. two pieces of bushing grade nylon a. bout 2 to 3 in sguare, drill 1/2 hole in center of each and 4 1/8 to 1/4 inch holes in each corner Slide pedal thru hole in center, mark and drill nylon where you wish pedal to be, bolt to bottom side of floor and lo and behold slop is gone. I understand you are not fixing the cause but sometimes fixing the symtom is just as good

John S
48 CJ2A

 

This thread page 5 post 49.
http://www.earlycj5.net/forums/showthread.php?26819-D27-Disc-brake-swap-on-my-71/page5

 

Correction: Bought the parts from Krages. Same Thread page 6.

 

thanks, for adding that jzeber. I never checked out jeepdoc (krages) site before. Has allot of brake and clutch parts that I can use.

Haven't finished taking apart pedal assembly to figure out what I will do though.

Lynn or twin2 (you both seemed to do the same thing): when you are referring to having your pedal rebushed, does that mean in the actual pedal arm a bronze/copper/steel bushing is put in the hole?

 

this is the one I remember reading. Didn't remember getting over to the CJ3A site, but this was it. http://www.cj3a.info/tech/pedalslack.html

 

Recently I took one of the "modified" cross shaft tubes apart. They had installed extra long cotter pins and bent them inside the tube to follow the contour of the tube. They then put in an extra long bolt through the tube. I don't know if this was the factory fix or a back shop fix, but it looked to be pretty easy to do if one wanted or needed to do it.

If you have a factory V6 jeep, bear in mind that the brake pedal shaft is unique and there aren't reproduction V6 pedal shafts made.

 

1960'swillyscj5: that's a good site, that I too found the article plus more good stuff I could use.

Karmel: I noticed that hole when I took my shaft apart. There was grease there so I never noticed it.... cleaned up the slop allot.

I went to the hardware store and got some metal bushing which come in different thicknesses, and switched them out tell the slack disappeared. Also, added one washer.






However my next problem.... is something I didn't notice.




what are you guys opinions for dealing with this, (this is the v6 shaft)
should I put a weld inside the hole? cut the bracket off and weld a new one on? new shaft (not sure if possible) i'm not sure of the diffrences in v6 shaft or 4cyl.
or leave it and hope it doesn't give me trouble...

 

Weld up the inside of the hole and re-drill it.

Don

 

x2 but add heim joints and fine allthread (fastenal carries it)
takes care of the bind, makes the left foot happier