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Attn: Renegade I owners

Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by H8PAVMNT, Feb 17, 2005.

  1. Feb 21, 2005
    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    Thanks for sharing all this guys. Not a Ren 1 or 2 owner but find them and the subject interesting.
     
  2. Feb 21, 2005
    beeser

    beeser Member

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    Jim - I wouldn't read too much into the lack of an R1/R2 specific dash panel in the FPM. Seems reasonable to me that the manufacturer would just modify the existing panel for the added ammeter and oil pressure gauges outside of regular production, especially considering that all that's needed is a few holes. All the more evidence of an SPO(?). It wouldn't be much different than modifying the body to accommodate the special spare tire carrier. They're just drilling some holes in a standard CJ5 body and mounting some hardware. There isn't a special Renegade body in the manual either. On the other hand with respect to the wiring harness, it makes sense to me that this part would've been ordered special (regular and R1/R2 harnesses alike) assuming that it was a vendor item. I can't see the factory modifying a harness. Guys in manufacturing - Does this make sense?
     
  3. Feb 21, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    No, for what was added to the factory harness the 6th wire being added to the clip would be to easy for them to make a set number on a special order and then using them as they are needed. We do the same on some of the parts we make Nissan and Mercedes, we have several parts that are very low volume on Mercedes, we run maybe 60-100 every 4-6 months and ship them to Mercedes where they stock these until they are almost used up and then re-order again. The harness for the RI could have been done that way, and then dealer or line installed.
     
  4. Feb 21, 2005
    beeser

    beeser Member

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    Mike - You mean the factory would unravel the tape or remove the protective covering on a standard harness to add another wire rather than purchase a limited number of correct ones? I'm assuming here that a separate vendor is making them in the first place.
     
  5. Feb 22, 2005
    H8PAVMNT

    H8PAVMNT Rub his head for luck

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    Steve, I don't think that is what Mike is saying. The whole deal w/ the R1's (IMHO) is to main stream the CJ to the public. Ask JPE about hot rods. This stuff isn't rocket science.
     
  6. Feb 22, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    No what I mean is that they were built on the same assembly line with a different part# and purchase order. We have a bumper (fascia) at work with a special sensor in it that we only make about 200 every 4-6 months, we do not build it on seperate line just a seperate purchase order and part #, all the bumpers have the mount in them and they all have the wiring we just put the sensor and locking clips in so many every once in awhile. We mold the console for the Honda mini van, most all of them have switches in the console for windows or something but we do some that are ordered without them, we just just change an insert in the mold that eliminates the holes in the console, they all still have the plugs in the wiring harness and can be added buy
    cutting the holes at the dealer or whatever.

    Just like I said that my 71 did have the factory 6th wire the resistor and gauges,
    there was probably enough interest in the 70 RI to justify putting the wire in all the harnesses and having the gauges as a dealer installed option in "71" figuring they could make an extra $20 on the gauges where people wouldn't pay the extra $400 or so for the RI option, you know make money where you can and offer the public what they want!;)
     
  7. Feb 24, 2005
    H8PAVMNT

    H8PAVMNT Rub his head for luck

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    Zoomer, what color did you say your JEEP was?

    Here ya go (Thanks Timmy)

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    I realize this is a Ren II but I didn't see that color option in the brosure. :D
     
  8. Feb 24, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Thats Baja yellow Brad and its listed on the paint chart I have as a 71 Renegade paint color.
     
  9. Feb 24, 2005
    beeser

    beeser Member

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    Sorry guys but there are actually 7 wires not 6 coming out of the male connector mentioned above. I didn't see before that one of the slots in the connector has two wires in it instead of one.
     
  10. Feb 24, 2005
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    I forgot about that junkyard Brad, I need to go visit it :)
     
  11. Feb 24, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    It's also randomly shown at the top of this page and listed in the RenII section.
     
  12. Feb 25, 2005
    H8PAVMNT

    H8PAVMNT Rub his head for luck

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    Spent the last few minutes F5ing and only saw one RII banner. The one we always see w/ the wench on the front of the green Ren. I'm either color blind or just stupid (you pick) I didn't see that BSG color.

    :rofl:
     
  13. Feb 25, 2005
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Yellow, Orange, and Green appear in the banner. ;)
     
  14. Feb 25, 2005
    69utjeeper

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    What is President red considered,(was it special to what years?) the P/O told me my 69 cj5 is a renegade, has the boxed in front frame, had the heavy leaf packs, skidplate on the oil pan, padded dash, I will take pictures and post them this weekend, the p/o was the one who bought it from the jeep dealer brand new btw.
     
  15. Feb 26, 2005
    org1970cj5

    org1970cj5 New Member

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    I think we need to investigate this Jeep 69utjeeper has. We need to see some pics and get a VIN to compare and verify it's a 69. I read somehere that 50 of the RII's were painted red instead of orange. This story just keeps getting more interesting. See ya soon at Windrock.
    Robert
     
  16. Feb 26, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    If you still have the sticker on the dash, what month was it manufactured, if it was september or later it is a 1970 model regardless.
     
  17. Feb 26, 2005
    TigerShark

    TigerShark Sponsor

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    Not to add to the confusion, but on my '69, the frame is boxed in front, starting at the bumper, but stops just under the front portion of the rear shackle. Is this the normal frame boxing for a '69? In the pics that Zoomer posted, the boxed portion would be touching the front of that square box section. I will try to get some pics to try to help explain it better.

    Jim
     
  18. Feb 26, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Nope there should be no boxing in front of the radiator crossmember.
     
  19. Feb 26, 2005
    TigerShark

    TigerShark Sponsor

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    OK, this is wierd. Unless mine is actually considered a '70 (build date of Oct. 1969). I found the VIN number stamped in the frame and it matches. I was told that they didn't follow the model changeover back then like they do today. Would a '70 model have the boxing?

    Jim
     
  20. Feb 27, 2005
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Yours is actually considered a 70 model (in the industry) regardless of when it was titled, model year changeover is august to september. The 70's were not boxed, but that doesn't mean a good shop or individual couldn't have done it, I have a friend of mine that has outboarded springs that are so good that nobody would ever know they weren't factory. He rewelded virtually everything on his jeep to clean it up and it looks like it was done by a robot!!
     
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