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Making a Soft Top

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by DanStew, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. Feb 9, 2008
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    I am back to thinknig bout making a soft top for the Jeep and the 4runner. I have it all planned in my head, but main issue is i dont really have`a sewing machine to use. My question is, how good is the adhesives out there so i can just glue the top together instead of sewing it. I would glue the side seams, but also have snaps on it to add some strength to the seams. I am also thinking bout jsut glueing in some vinyl windows, but that maybe pushing it. Anyone have experience working with marine grade vinyl for tops or awnings?
     
  2. Feb 9, 2008
    sammy

    sammy Coca-Cola?

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    IMO Dan, if you'll start with glue, go all the way with


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    But adhesives have advance some... Maybe there is something good to work with?
     
  3. Feb 10, 2008
    jeep peep69

    jeep peep69 Member

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    dan dont try the glue thing most glues also need reenforcment with sewing if you have acanvas shop near you talk to them we use a heat activated cement when we repair our tarps it is very spendy but works good for repairing tears dont know how well it would hold up for gluing seams together i will look for some and forward name of it to you
     
  4. Feb 10, 2008
    NoFlyZone

    NoFlyZone Member

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    might work on the trail but not the hiway
     
  5. Feb 10, 2008
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Dan, my dad and I made a full top for his 24' boat back when I was in HS. We used marine grade vinyl. What we did was run yard sales until we found an older sewing machine. Paid $25-$50 for it, sewed the top together and then sold it for the same. If you have a local salvation army or something like that check those out also.
     
  6. Feb 12, 2008
    Hawk62cj5

    Hawk62cj5 Captain of OldSchool

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    I say cut the material and you can install the buttons on it yourself. Then carry it to a tarp shop and let them do the sewing.
     
  7. Feb 15, 2008
    wicked4x4

    wicked4x4 HEY, watch the paint!

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    GORILLA GLUE- strongest glue i have ever used, i guess up there with some good epoxy's. this stuff foams up just a little, you don't need to use too much. it really is SUPER strong. i use it for a lot of random tasks.
    the glue idea though-seems like it may become fatigued with too much street/high wind driving... i don't know.
    good luck with it, and check this stuff out. http://www.gorillaglue.com
    :beer:
     
  8. Feb 15, 2008
    Chilly

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    Are you using an old top as a pattern? I also want to make my own top. Fortunately my original top is intact enough that I think it can be deconstructed without shredding. Might even employ the talents of our local Amish community.
     
  9. Feb 17, 2008
    DanStew

    DanStew Preowned Merkin salesman Staff Member

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    No old top for me, i am making one to fit only my jeep and the 4runner. I got rid of my old top just because i didnt like all the bows and such. With my roll cage i can make it go all the way across and make some sides to try adn keep out the elements.
     
  10. Feb 17, 2008
    bobcat

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    have you ruled out an older sewing machine idea? i looked on ebay and saw alot of "heavy duty" machines.i don't know one from the other though.bob
     
  11. Feb 17, 2008
    DanStew

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    I havnt thrown otu the idea. I am thinking, i can do the gluing and snaps right now, then once it is together and fits well, i will then sew it, since it will be in position and no need to pin it down and sew. It will be glued. Only issue may be the glue may make it hard for the needle to penetrate the fabric.
     
  12. Feb 17, 2008
    mike@IIM

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    Making the top is fairly easy, a friend of mine owns a custom interior shop and we spend alot of time helping each other on projects. I ended up doing my own interior in my thunderbird and the jeep. I plan to make a top when the weater is warmer.

    Some tricks:

    Forget the glue. Most fabric shops use an old paint spray gun to spray a thinned down contact cement. Its great for headliners and getting a nice smoth finish to custom interior parts.

    It will never hold up to the stress of a 60mph wind. Its not the wind blowing over your jeep that will destroy it its the wind entering the jeep from cracks, windows open doors. That puts the pressure on from the inside and basically blows thigs appart.

    As for the sewing. A professional machine is great, but for the same $400 to $800 you buy a top. Instead you can buy an old 1950's 1960' even early 1970's sewing machine for $50 -100 or less at a yard sale, ebay, ect. They are simple only do one twy of stitch but are made of metal and are nearly impossible to kill. They can easilly punch through vinal kanvas and thin leather. They just go slower than the professional model.

    The next thing is material choice. Fabrics are not all equal. There are many different grades of vinal, and canvas. My suggestion is take what you save on the labor cost and buy better stronger tighter woven material.

    Same rule applies to the plastic for the windows. Some are far better than others.

    Finally fabric will stretch easier than shrink. When my friend makes tops for customers they are very tight. sometimes an inch smaller than the distance they need to cover. He uses steam to allow the fabric (especially vinal) to stretch and soften so he can work with it easier. Customers with high end sports cars get very upset if their new not wrinkles or makes noise on the highway so tight is good. Once the fabric gets broken in to the the correct top shape a day or so later it stays that way for years. Too loose at the start and it only gets looser with age.

    He had a professional steam machine, but I made one out of an old 5 gallon air tank and a water heater heater element that blows his away. I ended up making one for him as well. (Oh you can use it later as a parts washer steam cleaner)
     
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