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Determining Leaf Spring Lift

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by Noneyah, Nov 3, 2022.

  1. Nov 3, 2022
    Noneyah

    Noneyah New Member

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    I have a leaf spring question. I have a 72 CJ5. It has a spring lift installed by a previous owner. The springs have no markings. The left rear is weak and sets noticeable lower than the others.

    The question is; is there a way, method, formula, to determine what lift these springs are? I like the current lift and want to retain it at it’s current height. I don’t want to buy a new set only to install them and end up too high. I use this Jeep for light trails. No crazy stuff. Also, anyone know who sells a sway bar for this narrow frame CJ? Thank you for any info.
     
  2. Nov 4, 2022
    Rich M.

    Rich M. Shoe salesman 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

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    A factory sway bar/ brackets can be used off any narrow track Jeep. Regarding lift it's likely going to be either 2.5" or 4" these were the most common aftermarket heights. A current side shot, measurements to the bumper may get you in the ballpark.
     
  3. Nov 5, 2022
    H Tate

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    Good question and I have the same question. Hopefully someone with a stock CJ5 can let us know the bumper to ground measurements and you can get an estimate from there.
     
  4. Nov 5, 2022
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    It would help if you would post some pics of your jeeps and give tire size etc...Some lift may also be due to longer shackles.
     
  5. Nov 5, 2022
    Noneyah

    Noneyah New Member

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    Here’s a couple picks. 25” to the rockers. 31” tires. 3-1/2” shackles.
     

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    Noneyah

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    Oh forgot. 1” body spacers.
     
  7. Nov 6, 2022
    Fireball

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    I would say you have 4" lift springs. Also of note, your shackles look like they are longer than stock by about 1".

    This is what new BDS 2.5" lift springs look like on my '71 with 1" longer shackles on the front and stock shackles on the back:
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  8. Nov 6, 2022
    Noneyah

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    Fireball, Thank you for the info. I’ve been shopping springs. I’ve read Ranchos are stiff, Skyjackers are weak And so on. I heard one guy say the lift on the BDS he got were much higher than he expected. How do you like them? Did they give the the height you expected? Also, what size are your tires?
     
  9. Nov 6, 2022
    FinoCJ

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    Fireball is running 33x12.5 tires in the pic above...

    As Fireball mentioned, your jeeps looks to be sitting a higher than the standard 2.5" lift....FWIW, the OEM shackles would have been 2.75", so you are gaining some lift with your longer 3.5" shackles, as well as the 1" body mounts - the OEM would have been like 1/2". You are gaining about an inch of lift just with the body pucks and shackles, but I'd guess the springs have been arched beyond the standard 2.5" as well....

    What size tire do you want to run? Many of us are BDS 2.5 lift fans around here - although Fireball I think prefers his procomp (he has both procomp and BDS - not sure you can get the procomps any more?). If you are using the BDS as a stock replacement with stock tire size, it will be too much lift, but if you are looking to run 31-33s, the BDS kit really works well. With stock shackles and body mounts etc, the BDS kit works well for 31s, but if anything, I wish it ran a bit taller to clear the 33s a bit better. I had to add a slightly longer shackle (3.25") to help it out just a bit. If you swapped to the BDS kit, you will NOT be taller - probably a bit shorter. Your set-up looks good for 33s (although the rear shackle angle is not ideal, but not a big issue either). If you are wanting to make it more stock height, and run 29-30" tires, Walcks has probably the best OEM style springs.
     
  10. Nov 6, 2022
    Noneyah

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    FinoCJ. Thank you. That’s very comprehensive info. I’m running 31” tires, which I’m going to stick with. The shackles are 3-1/2”. Based on Fireballs pics, I have more well but less tire. Could this be a 4” lift or do you think it’s a 2-1/2”? I don’t want to go higher but if I lost an inch I’d be okay with that.
     
  11. Nov 6, 2022
    Fireball

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    The tires on the Jeep pictured are actually 32x11.5-15. I feel the BDS springs ride a little rougher than the Procomps I have on another Jeep but the Procomps are no longer available.

    Of the choices that are out there, BDS is likely the best riding option. One complaint I have with the BDS springs is the front sat about an inch lower than the rear so I put longer shackles in the front to level the Jeep.
     
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  12. Nov 6, 2022
    FinoCJ

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    just my thoughts, but I think you have more than 2.5 lift springs....going to the BDS kit will lower the jeep a bit, but it might still be a bit tall for 31s given the longer shackles and body mounts you have. You could go with the 2.5" springs, and if its too much, go to an OEM length shackle (at additional costs of course! - or maybe go 33s?)....of if you like your shackles (look like nice con-ferr) and body pucks, then consider using the walcks springs, and with the shackle/body additional lift you have, they should clear 31s, but nothing more.
     
  13. Nov 7, 2022
    Noneyah

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    Thank you for all you input.
    So let’s see if I got this right. I like my 3.5” shackles and I’m staying with the 31s.


    If stock height is 18” to the rocker panel with stock 29” tires and I have 31” tires that puts me at 21” to the rockers. Add 1.5” for shackles and body mount pads and I’m at 22.5.”

    A 2.5” lift would be 25” vs a 4” lift would put me at 26.5,” taller than my current height.

    As I compare the pics of my Jeep with Fireballs Jeep It appears I have more wheel well clearance. Where is My math going wrong?
     
  14. Nov 7, 2022
    Sierra Bum

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    I would agree with the info above. Those guys are making pretty smart educated guesses, not knowing what springs are really under there. And there will always be some variation with the same spring too.

    As noted, the 2.5” kits were far more common and today I think only Skyjacker makes an off-the-shelf 4” spring set for the 55-75 CJ. If you do an image search you’ll find pics of Jeeps with it. At one point there was 3” kit made by Black Diamond…now out of production.

    I have around 3” of suspension lift and 1” body lift on a custom set-up with rear springs up front. I sit right around 25” at the rocker on 33x12.50x15’s.

    Keep in mind your shackles, measuring the bolts off center, will yield 1/2 the lift of the length over the stock shackle which is 2.75”, bolt to bolt. So a 3.75” bolt center to bolt center (1” longer) shackle provides 1/2” lift.

    I also agree that the BDS 2.5” option is great for your application. They ride well, flex well, are military wrapped and have a great warranty. After that many of us would then suggest a custom installed YJ suspension.
     
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  15. Nov 7, 2022
    FinoCJ

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    here:
    A 2 inch taller tire (29 vs 31) will yield 1" of additional clearance at the rocker....as Sierra Bum discussed, your 3.5" long shackle is gaining you half of that in terms of lift - so 3/8". Your 1" body pucks are only about 1/2" taller than the OEM ones. So total increase in body height with taller tires, longer shackles and body pucks is just under 2". If we use the OEM stock height of 18" you referenced, the rocker panel would be 20" above the ground. Any additional spring lift would then be added to that 20"....so a 2.5" spring lift would put you at 22.5, and a 4" inch kit would put you at 24".

    As mentioned, there is quite a bit of variation in these numbers: some will be your tires (not all 31" tires are really 31 inches tall - can be up to an inch in variation based on brand), and some could be how heavy the jeep is and how flexed the springs are (my jeep rides a bit heavy with all the tools and off-road recovery gear/chain/winch etc). Going with stock height springs could be a bit iffy with clearance of 31s - although I think it would work. Going with 2.5" kit definitely a safe and good set-up in terms of ensuring good tire clearance, but will probably drop you an inch or so from your current set-up, and the BDS kit really does ride and flex well for an OEM style replacement.
     
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    Fireball

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    All my Jeeps for reference:
    • 1968 CJ-5:
      • Unknown 2.5" lift springs (PO said it was a house brand for one of the major 4x4 supply houses 20 years ago)
      • 1/2" longer shackles front/rear
      • Extra weight with rollbar and tire rack but nothing else
      • 32" tires
      • 22 3/4" to the rocker
    • 1969 CJ-5:
      • 2.5" ProComp lift springs (No longer available as of last year)
      • Stock shackles front/rear
      • Extra weight with winch, full cage, and tire rack.
      • 31" tires
      • 22 3/4" to the rocker
    • 1971 Cj-5:
      • 2.5" BDS lift springs
      • 1" longer shackles front, stock shackles rear
      • Extra weight with Buick V8, truck 4spd, roll bar
      • 32" tires
      • 23" to the rocker
     
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  17. Nov 9, 2022
    dnb71R2

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    This is great info.
    I have ...
    • 2.5" BDS lift springs - excellent choice for these rigs as supported by many members here!
    • 1/2" longer Warrior shackles front & rear
    • Stock Dauntless, Ford T18 4spd, Ramsey REP8000 winch
    • 33" BFG KO2 tires
    • 23+" to the rocker with 30 PSI.
    I can drop the ride height about an inch by going from 30 PSI (highway) to 12 PSI (trails) all around.
    Don't forget tire pressure can affect this measurement.
     
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