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My Next Problem- Power Steering Vs Power Brakes.

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Buildflycrash, Dec 28, 2021.

  1. Dec 30, 2021
    SFaulken

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    You can do anything, if you don't mind doing some fabrication. I don't know that a YJ ever came with manual brakes, but later CJ's sure did, and I don't know if the YJ changed the pedal assembly much, based on what I can recall.
     
  2. Dec 31, 2021
    RATTYFLATTY

    RATTYFLATTY I think you need a little more throttle

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    I don't think the YJ did but if you source a MC for a non-power CJ with disc brakes it should bolt up. I do have Late CJ pedals in mine with this setup.
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  3. Dec 31, 2021
    Buildflycrash

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    Decision made (for now). On the 4th post Ed suggested this setup. I ordered a S10 brake booster & MC from RockAuto for under $120. This booster mounts directly to the firewall and will easily solve the problem - as long as I can make the pushrod connection to the YJ pedals. Fingers Crossed.
     
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  4. Dec 31, 2021
    Lockman

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    I agree...... It would be a similar footprint as a Hydroboost. My concern was that your Clutch system is part of the system....... That's why it's so far off the Firewall now ???? . If that's not a problem & you can bolt the Vacuum Booster up close to your firewall, you should be good to Go ( or more importantly, Stop ) . :D
     
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  5. Dec 31, 2021
    nickmil

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    YJ and late CJ pedals with hydraulic clutch are very similar. The bolt pattern, pedals, and the dash support bracketry are virtually the same.
     
  6. Dec 31, 2021
    scott milliner

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    That's what I have.
    This was a picture of my old engine before the 4.3ltr.
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    Updated photo with the 4.3 ltr.
    The master cylinder was changed for the four-wheel disc brakes.

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    Rich M.

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    So much more room than a flat fender. Late 90's Nissan pickup stuff.
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    Btw. Under the hood of a 97 Pathfinder today it uses a remote ps reservoir, looks like it could be easily adapted.
     
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    Lockman

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    Yes Sir, What's all that pivot bar type firewall bracket that Scott's got now ?
     
  9. Dec 31, 2021
    Rich M.

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    Clears the clutch master
     
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  10. Dec 31, 2021
    Lockman

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    That's what I thought . He's gonna have the same problem....... Ain't he ?
     
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    Lockman

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    My final Fix would be to get those Saginaw Lines on some 90 degree fittings & out of the way. Then go with the low mount power steering bracket. That should do it. :schooled:
     
  12. Jan 2, 2022
    Buildflycrash

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    I really thought it might work.
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    BUT with the low mount I have the pump to low and I have less than in inch to get the lines onto the steering gear.

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    I have a high mount…
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    And a low mount…
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    I need a mid mount.
    Is there another mount other than the two I have?
     
  13. Jan 2, 2022
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    Custom. :sneak:
     
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    SFaulken

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    I was writing out a long arse post, before I thought to check. You've got the herm's kit that uses a Bronco steering box. I just kept looking at that picture and going "what the hell did I feck up on my saginaw conversion, because my hydraulic ports are clear out in front of the bloody grill!"
     
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    Lockman

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    Try some 90 Degree fittings, then swing your pump up . I believe it will clear .But first , from your pic , there appears to be a crack on the inside forward thread of your steering box. :susp::shock:
     
  16. Jan 2, 2022
    Buildflycrash

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    i saw that in the photo also. I’ll check it carefully before I put it together.
     
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    Framer Mike P

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    I think that low mount ps pump bracket can be raised fairly simply. Try bolting it on with only the innermost bolt (the one missing in the picture). You should be able to pivot the ps pump upwards - I think you can only go so far until it wants to hit the valve cover - tighten the one bolt and see how it works out. If its ok you would need to redrill the upper bolt into the bracket and add an ear to the bottom of the bracket to catch the bottom bolt. I think you could bolt the alternator bracket to the ps bracket to use as a template (mirror image) to drill the new holes.

    As far as the power booster mount/linkage is concerned - I believe its purpose is to decrease the pedal ratio for the power brakes.
     
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    Jw60

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    can you lower the transfercase or raise the motor (fresh mounts)

    ideally a custom pump bracket or used remote housing can be found. (Ebay?)
     
  19. Jan 3, 2022
    Buildflycrash

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    Looked at this today before I left for work and I'm 95% sure it will work!!

    Question is ; What exactly are the connections on the ford PS gear? The two connections are slightly different size and I know it isn't the same as a GM PS gear.
     
  20. Jan 3, 2022
    SFaulken

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    I don't recall exactly, but 11/16 and 5/8 inverted flare come to mind.
     
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