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Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by Marcus Vaughn, Oct 9, 2021.

  1. Oct 9, 2021
    Marcus Vaughn

    Marcus Vaughn CJ672

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    Ok please don't grill me to death for this question. I have been trying to find out how many CJ6 are still registered on in the US. I've tried various search engines and keep drawing blanks. I may be using the wrong wording for the search. Hopefully someone here can throw me a clue.
     
  2. Oct 11, 2021
    timgr

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    Not sure this factoid exists anywhere. If you had access to the nationwide vehicle registration records, you might make an estimate. You'd have to assume that the description of the vehicle is correct - often it is not. "CJ-6" is an esoteric descriptor. The production numbers from Jeep likely went into the dumpster several decades ago, before the advent of computer record keeping. If you knew the production numbers for Jeeps and what fraction each year was CJ-6s, you could compare to the registration records and make an estimate.

    Realize that this kind of research simply won't exist unless someone has a monetary interest in finding out. Even then, the needed records may have been lost forever. No one will save data like this just to satisfy some future curiosity. In rare cases, enthusiasts with access may have saved printed records, but no guarantee.

    First post - welcome from Boston!
     
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  3. Oct 11, 2021
    PeteL

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    Maybe we didn't used to. But I have a uncomfortable sense that today there is no data that isn't saved. Who in the world will ever want, or be able, to shift through the sheer tonnage is a mystery to me.

    Without even going into the sinister aspects, just think how one or two photos of one's parents used to be treasured, compared to the daily contents of even one person's phone now. Who is it all for?
     
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    timgr

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    Mmm, don't know. I have boxes of tapes (exebyte and other cartridges) in my basement from experiments I was a part of decades ago. My colleagues have wanted to recover some of it, but they don't have the resources or the will to set up an obsolete tape drive system that can recover the data. I have the data; I sorted through looking at the labels to find what they wanted ... it will cost money? Oh well, never mind.

    All these tapes will go in the dumpster when I move or die.

    I also have folders and folders of CDs and DVDs, as well as dozens of old IDE drives. All these will go away too, unless someone has an immediate interest.

    I suspect the rate of data disposal has kept up mostly with the rate of data acquisition; the recoverable landscape has expanded, but it's like the tip of the iceberg compared to what has been discarded and continues to be discarded.
     
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  5. Oct 11, 2021
    W2SNO

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    Here's just s few tidbits, but I have no idea what % remain. This does not contain stripped chassis or special models
    1956- 2224
    1957- 1639
    1958-1214
    1959-2006
    1960-2036
    1961-1991 diesel was 28 units additional
    1962-2118 diesel was 101 units additional
    1963-1847 diesel was 84 units additional
    1964-1382 (start of new designations, model 8405 =base CJ6, 8418=stripped chassis, 8422=Tux Park)

    Just an example.
     
  6. Oct 11, 2021
    rejeep

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    I have one…
     
  7. Oct 11, 2021
    W2SNO

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    I share PeteL's concerns about 'big brother'.

    I use timgr as an example all the time (a GOOD example...) on what hands on experience at a dealership can do for you.

    What was on vellum or ammonia based print went to 70 mm microfilm in the late 1940's, 35mm microfilm by 1960, and 16mm microfilm by 1980. Then it was mostly destroyed on purpose, or by flood/fire damage.

    Tim, are any of the CD/DVD 1980 or older Jeep tech info?

    I used to have a copy of the plant fische for design and assembly, but it was stolen out of the back of my Grand Cherokee 15 years ago along with my laptop, drives, and cameras. Now nothing leaves the house till I have redundant copies.
     
  8. Oct 11, 2021
    PeteL

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    One of my great-uncles was Librarian of Congress. He led a push to transfer multitudes of paper documents to Micro-Film, and then discard the paper record. Turns out, the paper was a more durable and enduring media than micro-film. Ooops.

    There were also rumors the CIA had their fingers in that pie.
     
  9. Oct 11, 2021
    jeep2003

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    just like how everyone is transfering their vhs tapes to dvd. one little scratch and its unplayable. same with the backing that degrades over time.
     
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    3b a runnin

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    Me too!
     
  11. Oct 11, 2021
    W2SNO

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    I started photographing records on 35 mm Panatomic X (32 ASA fine grain) film in about 1981.
    Eventually I used 2 35mm cameras, one B&W, 1 color negatives.

    My first scanner require a special board and software, and was not portable. 150 dpi was considered good.
    Now I'm up to 9600 dpi full color if I want, 44 inches wide.

    Then it was HDD, floppys, cd, USB flash drives and HDD, now Solid State. no more jpeg, just uncompressed TIF.

    Everybody needs a hobby...
     
  12. Oct 11, 2021
    timgr

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    Sorry, it's all work-related stuff (MRI data).
     
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