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WTB Wanted Dauntless Distributor (1967 ?)

Discussion in 'Early CJ-5 and CJ-6 Classifieds' started by Buildflycrash, Aug 20, 2021.

  1. Aug 20, 2021
    Rich M.

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    Could you use a low mount bracket?
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  2. Aug 20, 2021
    Buildflycrash

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    Unfortunately no.
    I have the Herm PS pump mount and the PS gear is in the engine compartment. I love it that the gear isn't out on the bumper but it has some space challenges otherwise.
     
  3. Aug 20, 2021
    Jw60

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    Manual steering and problem solved. :beer:
     
  4. Aug 21, 2021
    Buildflycrash

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    Hey Rich
    This is the mount I have on my 231swap. Exactly which pump did you use? . The spare I have has the input & output on the lower rear and that keeps the pump from rotating/tightening against the belt.
     
  5. Aug 21, 2021
    Rich M.

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    I'm not having an issue with that. Sorting out the pulley and belt was a bit of a hassle ( this takes the press on pulley, theres at least 3 versions, guess it depends on ac/ smog etc I had to guess. Third time was the charm.. )I don't know the application but here is the Napa # my default is usually 75-77 Skylark or Skyhawk. IMG_20210821_150334628~3.jpg IMG_20210821_145945255~2.jpg
     
  6. Aug 21, 2021
    colojeepguy

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    Daryl

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    I have a whole pile of distributors as every Buick motor I touch gets an HEI. Think there were about 35 the last time I pulled them a down to sell several to a rebuilder.
     
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    Rich M.

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    The Prestolite version makes a nice priming tool :whistle:
     
  9. Aug 24, 2021
    Norcal69

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    I would watch ebay and find a Delco distributor for an odd fire v6.
    I've run both the HEI and Delco/pertronix setups back to back in the same day. There is no difference between the two in performance.
    The HEI takes up a ton of space in an already tight area. Unless you are buying genuine GM parts, the aftermarket parts are still sketchy.

    Please show me the dyno slips where the HEI makes more HP than points or Pertronix within normal Dauntless RPM operating range.
     
  10. Aug 24, 2021
    Norcal69

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    You can purchase just the Pertronix Module. It is PN 11650
     
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  11. Sep 2, 2021
    ErnieB

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    Thanks for the PN Norcal. Pertronix is the direction I want to go as well but first I want to sort out the firing issues in my 69. Could you give my tech post a look "odd fire trouble, really" , or maybe PM? I think to the right person my trouble will be obvious. Thanks
     
  12. Sep 3, 2021
    Norcal69

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    You will need the whole Pertronix kit, P/N 1165 to do the conversion.
    I'll take a look at your thread and see if I can help.
     
  13. Sep 4, 2021
    Jw60

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    Hei puts out a higher energy spark.
    That higher energy will help start and run in adverse conditions such as a very rich condition as used in bosted applications thus making more power.
    It's like comparing a carburetor to fuel injection. If your going a quarter mile in perfect conditions they both do the job and exceed the requirements. but the points require maintenance and i'ld rather drive my jeep especially when it is cold outside and work needs done.

    My Jeep isn't pretty and it doesn't have a Dyno slip but it is reliable. I don't have time for anything that isn't reliable and I don't need to fiddle with anything unless I darn well feel like it.
     
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  14. Sep 4, 2021
    Norcal69

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    Ignition Performance Test - Car Craft Magazine

    The HEI unit does not produce enough HP to make it a worth the hassle to upgrade on a oddfire v6. Fitment issues, finicky timing, and a huge distributor in a tight space.
    I’ve run both distributor setups back to back in one afternoon. There is no power difference between HEI and a Pertronix setup.
    The DUI unit makes a whole 1 HP more over points at 4K rpm. The stock HEI actually makes less HP than points.
    Everyone here that thinks they gained HP with the HEI just got back power from a poorly tuned ignition system.
    A Pertronix setup in a Delco distributor will do everything an HEI will do but with a simpler installation, less space and easier to set ignition timing.
     
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  15. Sep 4, 2021
    Jw60

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    Did you read my response?
     
  16. Sep 4, 2021
    Norcal69

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    I did.
    Your 4.3 came from the factory with a low maintenance ignition system. This thread is about the OP finding a spare distributor for his 225.
    HEI is not going to make more HP or more be more reliable than a Pertronix unit in a Delco Distributor.
    There is no advantage to the HEI for normal jeep use.
    No one here is running a boosted/forced induction on their odd fire and most people who go that route run MSD type systems.
    There are a myriad of threads about help with HEI and oddfire 225’s. Frustrated individuals who would be just as well served with a Delco and Pertronix setup.
     
  17. Sep 4, 2021
    Jw60

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    I'll forgive you for your assumptions that are made, based on the information I do and do not post.

    [​IMG]20200804_131543 by Joe with a jeep, on Flickr

    My Jeep is not the only vehicle or jeep I have experience with.

    My 4.3 did leave the factory with a low maintenance ignition system and that is not the same as what is in it now nor what was in it when I bought the motor.

    I believe this post is about a distributor for Scott's 225 so James can have his spare back.

    I agree the hei won't make more power but that is not the only measure of performance in an ignition system. Additionally this thread is due to a failure of a Pertronix equipped distributor system... I'll leave it at that before I jinx myself.

    "normal jeep use" is a loose measurement. Personally I like my jeeps to run in the worst environment, neglect, and abuse. So one of my measures of performance is how lean or rich it will continue to operate so if there is a fuel water or oil issue the vehicle can still maneuver to safety at reduced power when a weaker spark might not ignite the charge.

    We do have members with Turbocharged 225s from the old Buick cars. Not just Richie with his grand national motor.

    Other things about me, I have a bachelor's in aviation, systems design and I am an engineer for a living. Now I try to stay lighthearted here as it is a fun hobby forum but you must not assume anything about your neighbors.
    I didn't challenge your knowledge or experience I only stated my views of a good ignition system and mentioned HEI because it came up in conversation while I was with the group in Colorado and Scott was already considering it.
     
  18. Sep 4, 2021
    FinoCJ

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    I am not sure that was the issue...both the coil and the distributor unit were changed out before it ran...so I am not sure we ever fully identified whether it was a distributor or a coil issue. IIRC, the distributor was swapped first and it didn't seem to work (and it was brought back up to me). It wasn't until I went down to Scott's jeep with both that the coil and distributor were swapped together and it ran (?) - potentially indicating the coil needed to be replaced more so than the distributor - I don't think we ever tried running it with just the coil swapped. In other words, I don't know that we can say for sure the issue was a pertronix unit, and it does seem to be worthwhile discussion as to whether you can burn out the pertronix module in similar fashion to traditional points (for whatever possible reason, I always thought that was a selling point of pertronix that they can't burn up like points - or maybe its just harder to do than traditional points?). I do think we can say that sometimes in a field repair, its good to have a spare ignition parts whether it be a HEI cap module thingy, or spare pertronix unit (complete distributor is easier to swap in the field) and coil is good trail kit, along with a fuel pump...good fuel and spark helps keep things running.
     
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    Rich M.

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    I too think the smoking gun was never found. Scott also had ignition switch issues that week and we found a burned through plug wire ( which we moved to the #5 cylinder) I'm not convinced his Pertronix was / is bad.
    Perhaps we all eventually held our mouths just right and the stars lined back up :shrug:
    In the field with limited test equipment you tend to gravitate towards usual suspects ( ignition modules for me) Maybe leaving the key on heated up the contacts in the ignition switch. It occurs to me now I could have used my alligator clips to jump from the battery straight to the coil eliminating the switch. Won't get fooled again...
     
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    Norcal69

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    HEI components fail all the time. Had Scott left his Key on with an HEI system he could have burned it up as well. Modules and coils are very common HEI failure parts.
    All parts can fail, A Pertronix unit is no more failure prone than an HEI.
    There are lots of people on this forum that carry a spare HEI distributor with them.....at the very least they carry a cap, coil, rotor, module. I'm willing to bet that on the Colorado trip all of those HEI parts could be sourced out of the spare parts that members had in their stashes. Why??? Because HEI parts fail all the time.
    I carry a spare Pertronix module and coil. They take up very little space and can be changed with the distributor installed. I carry these items because I know that crap happens.... not because I don't trust the ignition system. I have 20K miles on my Pertronix ignition.
    The turbo Buick v6 that Ritchie and other members are running is an even fire engine. Having installed HEI distributors in both Odd and Even fire engines, I can tell you that it is much easier to stab the distributor and set the timing on an even fire engine with HEI.
    An even fire HEI can be a tooth off in either direction and be adjusted to within proper advance range. That is not the case with an odd fire. Even fire engines are factory set up for HEI and do not have the clearance issues that the earlier engines have. If I had an even fire engine I would use an HEI ignition.
    Either ignition system is capable of operating under adverse conditions. The decision each individual has to decide is how hard they want to work at getting things to fit. With Scott's mid height power steering pump setup its a real PITA to get the distributor hold down bolt, even more fun when the engine is hot.
    Building your jeep from the ground up and wheeling with other vintage iron is a blast. I hope you are able to get your jeep sorted out well enough to come on one of the ECJ5 events some day.
     
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