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Rack and pinion steering in a willys

Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by garage gnome, Aug 17, 2010.

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  1. Aug 17, 2010
    garage gnome

    garage gnome ECJ5 welder

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    garage gnome, Aug 17, 2010
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    all4jpn

    all4jpn Member

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    im waiting for the update..hmmmmm
     
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    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Don't we have a member in Arvada that can go check this out, get some pics?
    Joe, are you in/near Arvada?
     
    lynn, Aug 17, 2010
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    all4jpn

    all4jpn Member

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    bump to the top because im way curious
     
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    sammy

    sammy Coca-Cola?

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    IMO...Racks are for independent suspension, which is where they should stay.
     
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    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    Didn't a forum member's Jeep come with a rack when he bought it. Said something about bumpsteer.
     
    mb82, Aug 17, 2010
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    sammy

    sammy Coca-Cola?

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    I'm thinking weird tow in/out as the axle articulates.
     
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    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    IIRC the rack was attached to the axle.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    There's a lot I'm not getting from reading the description but it seems that they only connect the rack to the passenger side hub and a regular tierod from there across to the driver side hub.

    H.
     
    Howard Eisenhauer, Aug 17, 2010
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    sammy

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    So they're doing cross over with it? it's 4000 times easier to go saginaw IMO....
     
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    Long&Low

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    Well the factory put IFS on front ends of FSJ's....anything is possible
     
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    djcj3a

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    Aren't they just using the rack to push/pull the bell crank? That's what I got out of the article. Seems like it would work pretty well.



    <edit> I was mistaken, after re-reading, It appears they attach the rack to to driver side knuckle. Not sure how well that would work in a jeep with a fair amount of flex. I do think, however, that attaching a rack to the bell crank from the frame might actually work pretty well.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    That was my first take on it as well, like you I had to read through it a few times. I'm still trying to figure out exactly where the darn thing mounts, from my reading it seems to be right in the middle of the radiator:rofl:

    In this case I think a picture would be worth *more* than a thousand words.

    H.
     
    Howard Eisenhauer, Aug 18, 2010
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    electricontr

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    I live in Wheat Ridge, Colo., right next to Arvada. I left a message on the ewillys site to get some contact info. I'll pass it or pic's along if they respond.
     
    electricontr, Aug 18, 2010
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    all4jpn

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    he has an add on the front page of ewillys..green,right side
     
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    curtcanada

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    Did you ever investigate this?
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
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    uncamonkey

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    I headed to Arvada last summer to see what's up with this.
    He didn't have anything in his shop to show me other than a few pics.
    There was supposed to be another install going on in a few weeks, he was going to call me, I never got a call.
    I might try again in a few weeks, my brother is still interested too.
    The price sort of scared me off ($600+ for parts)
     
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  18. Apr 18, 2011
    nickmil

    nickmil In mothballs.

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    Dauntlesspowered's Jeep had rack and pinion steering when he got it. It was a mess.

    Why re-invent the wheel? Saginaw is heavy duty enough to handle the stress of off-road use, you can minimize bump steer, and it flat out works! Too many issues with Rack and pinion like finding one small enough to fit but heavy duty enough to hold up...
     
    nickmil, Apr 18, 2011
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    electricontr

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    The rack is mounted under the left frame rail, not under the radiator and it just pushes and pulls the passenger side spindle arm.
     
    electricontr, Apr 18, 2011
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    w3srl

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    I guess I'm missing something here, what do you gain with R&P over saginaw?
     
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