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Rochester Rebuild

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by RedWing, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. Aug 10, 2007
    RedWing

    RedWing Member

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    I disasembled my carb tonight and got everything cleaned real good. I'm planning on rebuilding tommorrow. The instructions in my rebuild kit show a ball retainer for the aluminum ball that goes under the plunger pump. I didnt see one when I took mine apart. The manual doesnt appear to list one either.

    Is this a missing part or should I just drop the small aluminium ball in place followed by the spring then the plunger?
     
  2. Aug 11, 2007
    lj98

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    The spring that goes under acclerator holds that ball in.There is an aluminum retainer that looks like a T for the other ball by the squirters.
     
  3. Aug 11, 2007
    RedWing

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    Thanks for the info. Is there a washer or anything that goes under the spring? I didnt notice one when I took it apart, but the instructions that came with the NAPA rebuild kit shows one. (i think, the illustration is small)
     
  4. Aug 11, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Like lj98 said the spring holds the ball in place, there's no washer. There should be a replacement in your rebuild kit if you got it from NAPA.
     
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  5. Aug 11, 2007
    Kaiserjeeps

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    If you got a marine bowl gasket in the rebuild kit, use it. It will be the one that covers the entire float bowl leaving only a cut out for the float needle and seat assy. They work better off-road with that gasket.
     
  6. Aug 12, 2007
    RedWing

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    Thanks for all the tips. I got the carb put back together and installed yesterday and the jeep started right up. The problem i'm having is it seems to run very rich. The only way i can keep is running is to back the idle mixture screws out about 3 turns. This is the problem I was having before I rebuilt the carb. What should I try next?
     
  7. Aug 12, 2007
    66cj5

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    you need a vacuum gauge to adjust the carb (an exhaust sniffer is better, but alot more $$$$). hook the gauge to a port on the manifold, start with the mixture screws out 1 1/4 turns from bottom. Adjust the mixture screws until you get the most vacuum you can get (somewhere between 16-20 inches). per the factory manual.
     
  8. Aug 12, 2007
    RedWing

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    The problem I'm having is I cant keep it ideling with the screws set in that far. To get it to idle they are out about three turns. I'll try it again with the vacuum gauge attached.
     
  9. Aug 12, 2007
    sparky

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    What's your timing?
     
  10. Aug 12, 2007
    RedWing

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    I just recheck the timing and it was a bit retarded. I set it to 5 degrees BTDC.

    Other than running rich, it worked fine before the carb rebuild. I'm also wondering about plug wires, coil etc after reading many posts. I just ordered a new set of wires today. How can you test the coil?
     
  11. Aug 13, 2007
    RedWing

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    I was reading some other post from the search section. I am wondering if my float adjustment might be off. My question is, if the carb is running rich could the float have some thing to do with that and if so in which direction should it be readjusted? Less float drop or more?
     
  12. Aug 13, 2007
    sparky

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    Did you not reset your float when you rebuilt it?

    A vacuum leak could cause you to back the screws out farther than you think necessary.

    What's the manifold vacuum at idle? Is the needle smooth or is it swinging, jumping?
     
  13. Aug 13, 2007
    RedWing

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    I did reset the float levels during the rebuild, but I thought maybe I had gottten them wrong. My manifold preasue at idle is 17 but the needle does moves rapidly back and forth either side of 17. I have sprayed carb cleaner all around the carb and the manifold and I don't get any change in RPM. The only spot that is hard to reach and spray at is the firewall side of the manifold.

    I have been wondering about a vacuum leak. Is changing the intake manifold gasket difficult?
     
  14. Aug 13, 2007
    sparky

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    If there's a leak at the back of the manifold it shouldn't affect the air mixture.

    Bouncing back and forth around 17"? How far? An inch or more? Mine bounces around 18"-19"-20", I don't worry about that. If it's more than an inch I'd be concerned.

    Not hard to change the gasket, intake is easy to remove, can be messy though with coolant and oil.

    17" of Hg is good though. Doesn't sound like a vacuum leak, if you spray carb cleaner has the vacuum dipped?
     
  15. Aug 13, 2007
    RedWing

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    It bounces rapidly 15" to 18" I didnt try spraying the carb cleaner with the vacuum guage connected. I'll try that tonight. Sparky, should I leave the float alone and trust that I got it right the first time?
     
  16. Aug 13, 2007
    sparky

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    Leave it be. It wouldn't manifest itself in this fashion.

    If you start having other problems with drivability then we'll look at it.
     
  17. Aug 13, 2007
    RedWing

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    I got the vacuum guage out again tonight and at idle with the screws out around three turns I get 17 to 19 inches. I adjusted the mixture screws and the engine smoothed out when the vacuum got near 18 to 19.

    The problem now is when driving. It accelerates smoothly, but is jerky or intermittent at speed when you hold the throtle steady. Any ideas?
     
  18. Aug 13, 2007
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    Just a thought; if you have a manual choke, try driving it at speed until it starts to balk, then pull the choke part-way out. This will richen the carb. If the engine starts to smooth out any, you are likely to be having a fuel starvation problem. A float that is set too low, a blocked fuel filter or crud in the tank are likely culprits.
     
  19. Aug 14, 2007
    RedWing

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    Thanks, I give that a try. The tank, fuel lines and filter are all brand new. The carb was very clean when I rebuilt it. Is the float drop to low or the initial (inverted) measurement?
     
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