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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Stan, Mar 19, 2005.

  1. Mar 19, 2005
    Stan

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    Does anyone have any evidence of the duration jeep used 2 piece windshields in early cj5s for the domestic market? Many sources state early jeeps apparently came w/ 2 piece 'shields, but through what serial number? My '54 cj5 was 935th to roll off the line and it has a one piece original shield. Does anyone have a '54-'55 with either a 1 or 2 piece glass, and if so what serial number??
     
  2. Mar 19, 2005
    Tuxedo Park 125

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    sounds like you have a M38 A1 split shield.I've seen a early cj-6 with what look like a export split shield.Cj-6 as fare as I know were made in 56.The jeep I'm talking about was a texas jeep that made its was to Canada for parts.All so they may have ben useing surplus m38 a1 in that area.
     
  3. Mar 19, 2005
    Tuxedo Park 125

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    If you need more info on the jeep pm me. Early CJ-6
     
  4. Mar 19, 2005
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Is your windshield the kind with an inner "flip out" frame ,i.e. a Ventilating windshield, or does it have fixed glasss with a diveder in the middle?

    The vent WS was an option for domestic vehicles (5s& 3Bs) for quite a while & pretty much standard on the exports. The idea was to break the suction behind the windshield so that in dusty areas it would prevent grunge getting pulled into the jeep & all over the people. Theres still a few NOS ones around that show up now & then on Ebay.

    The split glass non-vent was apparently used for export M38A1s. I've seen a drawing on one of those "Identify your Jeep" charts that shows a 5 with the two piece, but never an actual photo. It is, AFAIK, a regular frame, they just used two pieces of glass & the divider. Why? Who knows-

    Tonka is serial #378 but due to his history the ws frame was long gone by the time we got him. If you check the ads on my website you'll see that they all showed single piece glass.

    H.
     
  5. Mar 19, 2005
    timgr

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    Re why a divided windshield - I can't think of any compelling reasons - it minimizes the amount of glass you have to replace if the windsheild breaks. Or else having a hinge in the middle of the windsheild makes breakage less likely in severe service. Maybe something like that in the military spec...

    For street usage, a one piece is clearly safer. Having the gasket in your line of sight increases the chance you're not going to see something important like a pedestrian. Modern manufacturers always try to make the support pillars narrow and out of the drivers line of sight for this reason. Fuzzy dice on the mirror are illegal most places for the same reason.
     
  6. Mar 19, 2005
    JAB

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    This exactly how my '62 CJ-5 was when I bought it. It was originally a special order Milwaukee County Park Jeep with the T-98, a rear mounted PTO, a plow, a hardtop, & I presume, that windshield. I was foolish & young & sold or traded off everything but the T-98. I traded that windshield for one with wipers that actually worked (electric) & the larger viewing area from a '75 CJ-5 after I converted to 12 volts. In the 20 some years since I did that I wished I would have kept that windshield & just put better wipers on it.
     
  7. Nov 3, 2005
    jcarson

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    my m38a1 has the 2 peice window? is that good,jared
     
  8. Nov 3, 2005
    JAB

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    It would be especially good if you're trying to restore it. I just liked it because I could open it during a rain & get cooled off without getting too wet.
     
  9. Nov 3, 2005
    Fhead Guy

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    Anyone know where you can get replacement rubber for the 2 piece venting windshields?
     
  10. Nov 3, 2005
    JAB

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    There's some on ePay right now, but you can contact the seller directly at A & P Truck Salvage in OK City at (405) 232-6353 & buy direct. It's no violation of the ePay rules if you do so because he has the regular business & you're just calling as a regular customer. Ask for Steve Akers.
     
  11. Nov 6, 2005
    jcarson

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    oh,mine dont vent but it does leak!! wonder if i can put a single glass in there?that would be best for me im not restoring just fixing it up to do some mudding and beer drinkin!,jared
     
  12. Nov 9, 2005
    Billywam

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    The 1962 Jeep CJ-5, in the attached photo, was purchased new by my grandfather in the Denver area for use on his farm. It was purchased with the split windshield. I can't say I have ever seen another early CJ-5 with the split windshield, so was curious myself why it was equipped this way. I can only speculate that it was marketed as a farm/utility vehicle and the windshield might have been perceived as a farm/utility feature. I would love to hear if you learn any more about this curiousity.
     
  13. Nov 10, 2005
    JAB

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    Mine, also a '62, was originally purchased by the Milwaukee County Parks. They apparently ordered it for the job at hand as it came with the split windshield, T-98, rear PTO, Trac-Lok, hardtop, & a plow. I bought it from the 2nd owner, a gas station, & he kept the plow & all the related parts that went with it. He told me that the PTO was used for a mower attachment that was used in the larger parks. I seem to remember reading in one of my jeep books that CJ5's & 6's were often equiped & marketed this way right from the factory for just this type of use. I nearly bought a similarly equiped V6 powered CJ6 instead but the T-98 won out in favor of the 20". That was all back in 1976....I put a V6 in a few years later & still enjoy it all today!
     
  14. Nov 10, 2005
    Rondog

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    Welcome aboard, Billywam, from another Denverite! Is the Jeep yours now? Got any more photos of it? It looks to be in great shape.

    Don't know anything about the windshield details, but here's a split-windshield photo from my stash that I picked up somewhere, this is supposed to be a '59, I think.

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    Billywam

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    Thanks for the welcome message and photo! This is my jeep now. The photo I posted was from this year's first elk season in Pike national forest. The jeep is in excellent condition, but I would like to eventually put a fresh coat of paint on it. It never ceases to amaze me how reliable and versatile this jeep is when we need to conquer challenging 4X4 roads. I will look for more photos to share. Thanks!
     
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    Rondog

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    Oh yeah, more photos are in order! Some good close-ups! Sounds like you've got a good one. We're getting to where we have quite a few Colo. members here now, we may have to do a meet-'n-greet someday.
     
  17. Nov 10, 2005
    jpflat2a

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    to further muddy the issue, here are the listings from the parts manual:
    81 = CJ3B
    83 = CJ5
    84 = CJ6
    85 = DJ5
    86 = DJ6
    83/84 = used on 83, 84 models
    83/86 = used on 83, 84, 85, 86 models
    05 = open body
    22 = Tux Park
    87/89 = Jeepster
    enjoy
     
  18. Nov 10, 2005
    Chuck

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    willysnut

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    I got a two piece, but I figured it was a M38A1 frame and all due to the OD color. Soon to be a black frame.
     
  20. Nov 10, 2005
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    O.K.- Lets see if I gots dis straight-

    A "single piece" is a plane jane standard frame non-venting WS.

    A "split" is a non-venting frame with two pieces of glass & a divider in the middle.

    "Ventilating" windshields have two piece frames with the inner hinged at the top to flip open in a forward direction, with two pieces of glass in the inner frame & the divider like the "split" model (necessitating a close perusal of photos to tell the difference between the two). In my experience, the outer frame is basically the same as the single piece standard frame except it's missing some holes (i.e. wiper mounts) & of course has the hinge half for the inner frame to swing on spot welded to it. Just to confuse things there's some evidence the the frames destined for the standard "single piece" ws actually had holes & captive nuts added to to defroster plenum that are only used to secure the inner frame latches used on the ventilating model.

    The picture in Ron's post is a ventilating, you can see the adjusting arm showing through the glass on the passenger side. The EBay jeep is a split, no adjusting arms or latches for the inner frame.

    So, is a "two piece" a split or a vent? Enquiring Minds Want to Know-

    FEI- My '59 parts manual doesn't show a split non-venting windshield, only one part # for the glass (single piece) & only a single part# for the rubber channel, no mention/picture/description of the "split" model at all.

    My guess is that the "splits" on factory fresh CJs got robbed from the M38A1 parts bin on days they ran out of proper frames or were left over stock between military contracts.

    H.
     
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