1. Registration trouble? Please use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom right corner of the page and your issue will be resolved.
    Dismiss Notice

Water Pump Ports

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by tripilio, Apr 28, 2020.

Tags:
  1. May 2, 2020
    PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Hills of NH
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2003
    Messages:
    9,806
    This is how I see it.

    With a bypass, the heat within the block is more evenly distributed at all times. Why is that not a good thing?

    My theory and I'm sticking to it.
     
    tripilio likes this.
  2. May 2, 2020
    Jw60

    Jw60 Cool school 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Sedalia MO.
    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    4,793
    I wonder if the thermostat closed fully when the bypass was not used. The Heavy duty thermostat I went to had v - notches and slowly closed. Also might collapse the radiator hose without the bypass.
     
    tripilio likes this.
  3. May 2, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,375
    I thought about that but if there was no where for the water to go after the pump it doesn't seem like it could create any suction....plus the lower hose should have a spring in it to avoid that.
     
  4. May 3, 2020
    tripilio

    tripilio Proud American!

    Miami
    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2018
    Messages:
    930
    View attachment 57366 View attachment 57366
     

    Attached Files:

    ojgrsoi likes this.
  5. May 3, 2020
    PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Hills of NH
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2003
    Messages:
    9,806
    Maybe the bypass is to prevent cavitating the pump?
     
    tripilio and Glenn like this.
  6. May 3, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,375
    I can see that as quite plausible. I've given passing thought to subjects like this before, just never discussed it like we have now.
     
    tripilio likes this.
  7. May 3, 2020
    mickeykelley

    mickeykelley Well-Known Member

    Republic of Texas
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Messages:
    1,908
    Which is what gives me the scratching my head issue. Seems like the bypass should either be there or not be there on all engines, regardless of whether they have heater or not. So why do some have it and some not. I guess I could maybe see an argument that in really cold climates, the bypass would allow the head to warmup quicker. And no need for the bypass at normal areas as it will heat up quick enough. Since Willie was bought and spent his entire life in central Texas, he would not need the bypass. But when we move to Colorado I may want to consider adding it for winter driving.
     
    tripilio likes this.
  8. May 3, 2020
    mickeykelley

    mickeykelley Well-Known Member

    Republic of Texas
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Messages:
    1,908
    If it was a cavitation issue, all engines would have the issue. And warm climates it would be more likely to attemp to collapse a warm hose, thus the spring?
     
    tripilio likes this.
  9. May 3, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,375
    I'm guessing that by design this has been overcome on other engines, more modern engines. Probably something we haven't thought about or never really noticed?
     
    tripilio likes this.
  10. May 3, 2020
    mickeykelley

    mickeykelley Well-Known Member

    Republic of Texas
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Messages:
    1,908
    I meant all F134’s would have them.
     
    tripilio and Glenn like this.
  11. May 3, 2020
    PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Hills of NH
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2003
    Messages:
    9,806
    I just have a intuitive feeling it may be the opposite - the bypass circulation may prevent 'hotspots' within the block passages when extreme cold prevents the thermostat from ever opening at all.

    I have experienced an F-head violently boiling over at -20ºF. I attribute that to thermostat housing being very exposed to the cold air. It was after I installed a 180º thermostat, and stopped when I went back to the 165º unit.
     
    tripilio likes this.
  12. May 3, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,375
    I agree, I've wondered why they didn't just have it on all of them.
     
    tripilio likes this.
  13. May 3, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,375
    The bypass would allow the head to warm up evenly. I think we are all on the same page but saying it differently?
     
    tripilio likes this.
  14. May 3, 2020
    PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Hills of NH
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2003
    Messages:
    9,806

    A wise friend once told me that any thread of more than ten posts is discussing a distinction without a difference.

    Except he didn't put it quite so politely. :D
     
    Glenn and tripilio like this.
  15. May 3, 2020
    Jrobz23

    Jrobz23 Member

    Northern, WI
    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2016
    Messages:
    942
    Saw a couple LHeads yesterday - 3A and 2A. One had the bypass fully hooked up and the other wasn’t even drilled/tapped on either the head or pump.
     
    tripilio likes this.
  16. May 3, 2020
    mickeykelley

    mickeykelley Well-Known Member

    Republic of Texas
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Messages:
    1,908
    The circulation I was referring to as warming up the head would also be the same as your hotspot idea. Circulation would help both. Would be interesting to see if there was ever any documentation where the ones sold in say Colorado had them. My Texas one all its life does not have it.
     
    tripilio likes this.
  17. May 3, 2020
    PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Hills of NH
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2003
    Messages:
    9,806
    Kinda like my Thermos bottle... keeps stuff hot in the winter and cold in the summer.

    But how does it know? :confused:
     
    tripilio and Glenn like this.
  18. May 3, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,375
    :shrug: You're not saying a thermos might be smarter than us are you? :D
     
    tripilio likes this.
  19. May 3, 2020
    mickeykelley

    mickeykelley Well-Known Member

    Republic of Texas
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Messages:
    1,908
    The American ones have an intelligence to know, but the Chineese crap ones may or may not know or work or last long enough to get to the next season.
     
    tripilio, Jrobz23 and Glenn like this.
New Posts