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Herms steering kit pics needed

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by tinker, Oct 11, 2007.

  1. Oct 11, 2007
    tinker

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    Hey guys I am looking for some pics of Herms steering kit installed with the engine in .My problem area is the lh exhaust manifold the one I have is right in the way of the steering shaft .Any pics of what manifold works would be great .
     
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  2. Oct 11, 2007
    mruta

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    What kind of engine you are using? My Jeep has a Chevy 4.3L with Herm's kit. It was a really tight fit. If you're not in too much of a hurry, I'm almost at the point where I can get some pics for you. I need to have some flats machined on my steering shaft and it'll be ready to install.
     
  3. Oct 12, 2007
    orangeaid

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    I have some pix on 71 cj w/225[​IMG]
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  4. Oct 13, 2007
    tinker

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    Thanks guys the pics help .I am using the stock 225 with a 231 manifold .The clearance is tight so I think I will add some u-joints to get around the manifold .I will post pics here and send to Herm .
     
  5. Apr 28, 2020
    Mtnmax

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    Hello to everyone! I hope this post finds you well!

    I'm reviving this thread (most of the old threads are missing pictures) because I'm having trouble lining-up the steering link from the base of the stock steering column to the steering box on my power steering kit from Herm. I have a 1971 CJ5 with a Dauntless V6 with a rear-dump exhaust manifold. I'd love to see some pictures and hear ideas about how others have completed this install.

    Thanks in advance!

    Max
     
  6. Apr 28, 2020
    colojeepguy

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    I looked at doing g this swap on my 70 but the radiatior was right in the way... what did you do about the radiator?
     
  7. Apr 28, 2020
    Mtnmax

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    I haven't re-installed my radiator yet, but before I removed it, (to my eye) the radiator looked like it would not have a clearance problem. With that said, I do have an aftermarket aluminum radiator with the outlet on the passenger side.
     
  8. Apr 28, 2020
    Jrobz23

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    Not a V6 but I have this on my F134. I did need to adjust my radiator a few inches higher. I also overheated on my first real road run with the steering hooked up. Could have been a few things that caused it, but noteworthy either way.
     
  9. Apr 28, 2020
    Brislin06

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    Very interesting topic I’m up in the air between herms kit and advance adapters. I have the 225 my big fear is not being able to get the head bolts out to install the headers.
     
  10. Apr 29, 2020
    Lilbuff63

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    Here is mine with a 4.3 v6 in a 58 CJ5. It’s tight no doubt, but it fits! I notched the lower “lip” of the front cross member to scoot it forward as much as possible. B01E5311-0679-48E5-A8C6-1AA2C316E55B.jpeg 50B4CAD2-F72E-4344-8CD5-7AB77F09AD1D.jpeg CAAA396C-92DC-49EE-B7B8-E7544E45D016.jpeg
     
  11. Apr 29, 2020
    Mtnmax

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    Lilbuff63,

    Thank you very much for posting your pictures! Those are the only pictures I've seen of the actual steering links between the steering wheel shaft and the box. Did you use the original steering wheel shaft or something else? Did you use 3 u-joints or 2 u-joints?

    Thanks again!

    Max
     
  12. Apr 29, 2020
    Welderr

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    Does it get welded to the frame after you are happy with the position or is it strictly bolt on ? TJ
     
  13. Apr 29, 2020
    Buildflycrash

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    Mine is real close to the fuel pump but 3000 miles and no issues.

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    I used 2 bolts to attach instead of one as designed.

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    Buildflycrash

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    Fenderwell headers solve all the clearance issues. Good mufflers solve the header issues.

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  15. Apr 29, 2020
    Mtnmax

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    Hey Scott,

    Thanks for the pictures!

    Did you use the original steering post/rod? Did you have clearance problems with the stock exhaust manifold? If so, how did you work it out? Did you add welding to Herm's bracket? What fender-exit headers did you use, and where did you get them? Do you have any pictures of the link at base of the steering column/rod?

    Thanks again!

    Max
     
  16. Apr 29, 2020
    Buildflycrash

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    I used the original steering shaft just cut off the worm gear and shortened to just beyond the firewall. It is very close to the original position on the firewall as well. Herm has the kit with the new (lower) steering shaft and U-Joints. The Headers are from Advance Adapters. I never did try the stock manifolds as it is well discussed on this site the clearance issues.

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  17. Apr 29, 2020
    Mtnmax

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    Scott,

    That's the money shot!! Thank you!!

    It looks like I'm going to have to go the header route like you did. I just don't see a practical way to get around the cast iron rear dump manifold. I also noticed my fan is not going to clear the steering box. I'm thinking about replacing it with an electric fan to solve that problem. Did you have a fan clearance problem, if so, how did you solve that problem?

    Thanks again!!

    Max
     
  18. Apr 29, 2020
    Lilbuff63

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    Yes, like buildflycrash said, cut the worm gear off the existing shaft. You will let Herm know what splines you have on your steering box (36 for mine I think) and he will send you the u-joints, collapsing steering shaft, shaft support through floor board, and the bracket with hardware. I used only two u-joints.

    No welding, you have to be able to remove the bracket with steering box attached when replacing.
     
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  19. Apr 29, 2020
    05rider

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    Really good to see the pictures. I see that some severe angles work with the u joints. Has anyone figured out a way do to it with the F134?
     
  20. Apr 29, 2020
    Buildflycrash

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    I didn’t have any issues with the fan. The radiator did sit on top of the steering gear so I bumped it with a BFH a couple times.
     
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