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Fino's 58 Wagon

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by FinoCJ, Aug 10, 2019.

  1. Apr 15, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    If you shoot air into the wheel cylinder, be sure to have the drum on or some sort of pliers holding the plungers in. They’ll shoot out like missiles!
     
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  2. Apr 15, 2020
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    I could use the entertainment at this point...
     
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  3. Apr 15, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Do you have the drums on?
     
  4. Apr 15, 2020
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    not on the rears...fronts are on (I cleaned and repacked the wheel bearings and did't want them just sitting on my workbench getting full of dirt, but easy enough to remove as I haven't bent the lockwasher over the nut yet. Was also playing with the shoe adjustment cams trying to figure out how they work) ...When playing with the front bleeders, I do notice the shoes must be moving as well as they are contacting the drums enough you can feel it - the LF locks it place nicely and RF is probably only partially moving one shoe as you can turn it by hand against the friction - probably what I see on the RR.
     
  5. Apr 15, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    I was wondering if without the drums on if the left side was expanding too far and no resistance could explain not getting anything through the right cylinder.
     
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    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    The push rod should be adjusted so it just barely able to be moved by hand to verify that it does not have a preload. Is this how yours is adjusted?
     
  7. Apr 15, 2020
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    yes...thinking this too...
     
  8. Apr 15, 2020
    jeep peep69

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    This is what is happening...
     
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  9. Apr 15, 2020
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Adjustment will also cause problems too. The shoes need to be adjusted properly in order to fill the wheel cylinder otherwise the springs will pull the shoes back and force fluid back out.
     
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    jeep peep69

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    You don’t have to put the drums on you can wrap a motorcycle tie down strap around the shoes and cinch tight to keep them from opening just a little short cut when working on inboard drums
     
  11. Apr 15, 2020
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    ok - so putting the left rear drum on (just enough to fit over the shoes) solved that problem! I don't ever remember having that issue before...It was kind of humorous watching it moved the left rear shoes against the springs while the right rear was totally open (bleed screw pulled)? Seems like the open path would be preferred - I guess I don't know what the plumbing inside the wheel cylinder looks like, but its hard to imagine it could create enough backpressure when open to force the springs on the other side to open. Anyway, the rear is good....Not sure if that is solution in the front though...The drums have been on both fronts, but the shoes were not adjusted...so I adjusted the shoes to be out just against the drum on both sides - might be all it takes. Am now waiting for my pedal pusher...something about wanting to get some fertilizer down before it rain/snows again tonight....
     
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  12. Apr 15, 2020
    Glenn

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    Progress! This is good news. (y)
     
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    Lockman

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    Agreed . Good for you guys with your 'Sticktuidness'.
     
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  14. Apr 15, 2020
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    Well my pedal pusher managed to break the fertilizer spreader - something else to fix - but it also means she could go back to pushing pedals (although I should say this quietly - I say pedals as I think the first time she helped me bleed brakes, and I was just flushing old dirty fluid, nothing would come out of the bleeders....yup...you guessed it...she was pushing the clutch.....)....anyway, adjusting the shoes on the front was enough to allow fluid to bleed through the right front cylinder. Double checked all 4 in the correct order and it looks promising. I want to clean up all the fittings I cracked and bled and oozed fluid over, and then go through and pump and hold the brakes at pressure and make sure nothing is leaking/seeping a bit before finalizing install the hubs. Then final adjustment for the brake shoes.

    THANKS!....
     
  15. Apr 15, 2020
    Glenn

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    I'm guessing she won't read that. :D
     
  16. Apr 15, 2020
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    If you find me sleeping in the willys...you'll know why...I should just buy a little hand held mitty vac thing....
     
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    jeep peep69

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    Your a geologist you know fluid will travel the path of least resistance. Lol. Glad your on the right track now.
     
  18. Apr 15, 2020
    73 cj5

    73 cj5 Not ready for the junkyard yet

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    Don't feel bad. A friend bought a 60's C20 that's been sitting for a few years for dirt work around his farm and he took the distributor cap off and replaced the points. Well two wires came off the cap so I asked did you put them on right. He said of course it was only two wires.... He swapped the coil wire and #5 spark plug wire around so it fired on one cylinder. :rolleyes: He had insisted it was a carburetor issue the entire time. Carburetor is always the scapegoat...
     
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  19. Apr 17, 2020
    FinoCJ

    FinoCJ 1970 CJ5 Staff Member

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    picked up some wheels for it cheap (at least I thought so) on CL - $120...They are 15x8 (3.5" BS) but just couldn't find 16x7 anywhere near my current budget (or even 15x7 that I liked), and if I ever go that route, figure I can sell these for $100 without too much issue. Add the additional price of new tires, and the $900-$1000 final cost was just not in my budget range right now. And I do really like this wheel - its identical to the ones I ran on my cj7 20 years ago. I was hoping when I originally chatted with the seller than the tires might be usable for at least a bit, but 2 were mis-matched 235/75 and kind of junk, and the 2 on the rear are barely used 30x9.5, but they've been sitting out somewhere and are cracking and would only realistically work for little local putting around. I threw the 30s on the rear to see how they fit and how they looked...seems pretty good to me - front is still on jack stands so it might loose a bit of clearance when its dropped.
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    Was worried the 9.5" width might be too wide, but it just fits...not sure if it would hit at full stuff or not, but I think it might tuck in?
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    The question is still what to do about tires - obviously I need something to drive on. Might consider picking up a set of used 235/75 Yokohama ATS ($300 mounted and balanced) as a temporary solution, or buying new (more like $500 mounted and lifetime balanced) as a longer term solution. For $200 I think I'd normally go new...but part of this wheel purchase was to get it back out on the road while figure out what comes next (both budget and project)...Ideally, still hoping for some 16x7 with 215/85 or 235/85, but that might require replacing the sagging leafs etc and is a lot of money. I will say, I am liking the look enough on the rear to maybe just buy new, and run it as is for a while...next up on the list will be the electric wiper motor and taking care of some electrical wiring (maybe an ignition relayed fuse box). Budget might drive this decision more than anything, and the desire to have it driveable....
    -oh and that is of course not mentioning the immediate needs of getting the radiator back in with some mods needed for the batter tray, and new batter tray hold down that i am fabbing etc...
     
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    73 cj5

    73 cj5 Not ready for the junkyard yet

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    If you were local I have a good set of tires that need a home.
     
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