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Custom Ps Brackets

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Chuckman, Feb 24, 2019.

  1. Feb 24, 2019
    Chuckman

    Chuckman New Member

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    so Ive read and re-read the PS pump/bracket threads. why is nobody making their own brackets to get around all of these issues? I dont like the stock low/drivers choice, its too close to the steering gear. I'll have to mount up the two rear dump manifolds to see about that fitment as well. I have a 3a with a 350 serpentine setup (homemade) and with a serpentine, you can have 'backer' or 'idler' pulleys so thats something that a V belt cant do so it may not be possible to route the same way with a V belt. also, isnt the V a standard shape? cant I get a ham can from the shed and mount'r up?

    Im building this thing 2A in sub assemblies and am seriously considering making up a mock front clip to see if I can cram all of this in before I build the whole rig. the PS really is a booger in a flattie and have it look 'right'. rear swing gears dont do it for me. my 3A is a front swing and it works, but it kept the ross pivot. I will put in a narrow track D30 and will use modern pitman arm/drag link on it. simply better. hidden under there enough youll never know it was converted

    this rig will get a warn sitting low in the bumper so a rear swing is getting tight in there...
     
  2. Feb 24, 2019
    45es

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    Not necessarily true. Double angled V belts can drive off both sides of the belt.
     
  3. Feb 24, 2019
    jpflat2a

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    I've re-read your post several times.
    Are you asking questions or just frustrated.
    Can't tell.....
     
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  4. Feb 24, 2019
    colojeepguy

    colojeepguy Colorado Springs

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    Because you can buy factory Buick brackets that work? Granted, they're getting harder to find as these donor vehicles are 40-50 years old, but they're still out there!

    :confused:
     
  5. Feb 25, 2019
    findleyk

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    Doug

    I think he is referring to the direction the pitman arm points.
     
  6. Feb 25, 2019
    Twin2

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    so what engine are we talking about chevrolet or buick :confused:
    anything is possible when it comes to fabrication .
    I agree with doug on buick V6 mounts high or low . there still out there . just getting harder to find
     
  7. Mar 1, 2019
    Chuckman

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    ok let me rephrase.
    Ive managed to stick a v8 TBI chevy (serpentine setup) in a flattie with a forward swing gear. TIIIIGGGGHHHTTT not something that I really liked for maintenance and trail repairs. its for a farm and can work on it in a proper shop and not used too hard

    what Im looking to build is a true stout setup for flattie #3 (dauntless/PS). it just seems that everyone is spending all their time and effort finding these hard to find parts instead of making their own brackets. why is that? who knows something that I dont until I get ALMOST done and I go, ohhhhhhh I get it.....

    heres example. most posts I read were like 'if Id go v6 again, Id stay away from a dauntless motor, Id go 4.3..." with no explanation. now after searching and seaching for parts and realizing that the oil system is JUNK, I get it now. so what mysteries am I about to uncover with homemade brackets?
     
  8. Mar 1, 2019
    jpflat2a

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    Okay.
    So show us the way to make custom p/s brackets (pump and box) for a 225 in a flattie.
    Show us some pictures of how you did/or are going to do it.
    Because I'm one of the dorks that used factory pump brackets.
    Inquiring minds want to know.
     
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  9. Mar 1, 2019
    tarry99

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    There is no Mystery ..............the only question is do you have the time , talent and equipment to do so?
     
  10. Mar 1, 2019
    duffer

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    What is the attraction of using the old GM pump/integral reservoir? Money? The Gen II pumps will fit easily in all sorts of locations and the remote reservoir can be placed about anywhere. And for the sbc in my flatty, I have fabricated all the accessory mounts/brackets.
     
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  11. Mar 2, 2019
    colojeepguy

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    Most of us know how to turn a wrench, but very few have your level of fabrication skills, hence using the factory made parts that will fit and get the job done.
     
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  12. Mar 2, 2019
    colojeepguy

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    My 225 is 49 years old, has 160,000 miles on it, and has never been out of the Jeep, so I guess it oils OK :rolleyes: They aren't designed as a 6000 rpm engine...
    Reasons to use a 4.3? More common, better parts availability, more cubic inches and more power in a similar sized package, ease of converting to fuel injection. Oh, and a better oiling system :lol:
     
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  13. Mar 2, 2019
    47v6

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    Nothing wrong with my Buick 225 odd fire V6 in my 2a at all. Its great. No problem getting the P/S mount or the pump and internal reservoir. The oiling system is working fine for me. The only issue is that the engine is 53 years old and I can't FI it easily.

    I really don't care what anyone else does. Put any engine in anything. I did what i did because it has been done 10K times before, was a stock jeep engine with support HERE and it was pretty easy and cheap. I could make my own brackets and mounts or whatever the heck I want, but i own my jeep to drive, not be a perpetual mechanic, so why the heck reinvent the wheel for satisfaction i don't get from it?
     
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  14. Mar 2, 2019
    Bowbender

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    I was thinking I would make a bracket, but one came up for sale here so I jumped on it. I really didn't need another project. I've made enough projects for myself as it is.
     
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  15. Mar 2, 2019
    ITLKSEZ

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    :clap:
     
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    homersdog

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    I was one of losers that got a buick power steering bracket to put in on my buick designed engine affixed to the holes that were made to mount buick power steering brackets. I also did not make the spark plugs, the fan blade, the tires, the ... well pretty much everything except a couple of parts I did make. But it still is a project finding and reconditioning old parts to keep it running, upgrading systems with newer parts that work with the old parts.
     
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  18. Mar 2, 2019
    Chuckman

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    wow, sounds like Im on Pirate4x4...

    let me rephrase. I plunged headlong into a 225 rebuild (because it was cool) and spent a TON on the machine shop work before I realized that the rockers, balancers, timing cover etc were so dang expensive and dang near impossible to buy at any price. then I realize that I 'need' to upgrade the oil system per the 'blueprinted 225' build on here while Im at it and its on the stand (I'm like that). is it a 'junk' oiling system, I think we can all agree it works, but it got a lot of room for improvement.... everybody (not only on here) was like 'Id just do a 4.3 next time', with no explanation. now I see why. wish I'd put two and two together before I sank all this time into a 225 when I couldve been riding with a $200 4.3....

    now take that level of newly aquired cautiousness and apply to the pully setup. parts are HARD to find, gotta find a complete matching set (hope I get the correct ones) and then its going to be crazy tight anyway. If I were to take a saturday and make a bracket with any of the parts sitting around, what are the pitfalls? Id rather just be grab some plate, burn some 0.030" and be done with it. Im wanting someone to say 'the ones done like that break the water pump snout off when its a full moon and you rev past 1,200 rpm' or 'any excessive load on the crank will make the oil pressure drop etc', 'the block is too thin in the bracketry threaded boss area, be super careful about load' thats it, nothing more.

    Im building a custom frame, however keeping stock body; so Im not a purist, but I do like the thought of vintage cool parts.
     
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  19. Mar 2, 2019
    Mcruff

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    There is nothing that I know of that would prevent custom built brackets. Most of the factory brackets bolt to the heads, plenty of material there. The block is not thin anywhere that I know of. The oil system is fine from the factory but like all things can be upgraded if you desire. Heck even a small block Chevy is modified for high rpm or road race use. My dauntless engine didn’t really cost more than a 4.3 to build. I spent $354 for a rebuild kit and about $325 for all machine work including hardened valve seats. I did the lower end but they assembled the heads. About another $125 for aftermarket parts.
     
  20. Mar 2, 2019
    termin8ed

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    Easy guys...
    He has a point. Getting a little combative here
     
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