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Special Sales Order Numbers

Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by 4xwriter, Sep 26, 2016.

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  1. Jul 22, 2017
    4xwriter

    4xwriter Jim Allen

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    Yep, they are AMC. This chart appeared in another thread and I believe it was from '72.

    I have now found four correlations between color and SSR & O number in Renegade I and II.
     
  2. Jul 22, 2017
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    4xWriter, what DOES SSR&O stand for? And did you receive my email of the 70 Mint Green SSO plate?
     
  3. Jul 22, 2017
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    I got it, Keith and sent an acknowledgement. Thanks.

    SSR & O stands for Special Sales Request & Order. When something was out of the production ordinary by a significant degree, it got an SSR&O (I abbreviate to SSO). The paperwork was a BOM (Bill of Materials) or build sheet that detailed all the stuff that went into it, where to source it, how much it cost, the labor involved and how to build it. Sometimes, an SSO Jeep required some of the assembly to be done off the main line. Thru '71 they had a aluminum tag glued to the firewall somewhere (above the batt on the Renegades and many other Jeeps), but it varied somewhat by the type of Jeep. Starting in '72, there was a place on the VIN tag under the hood for an SSO number. I have been collecting SSO numbers for a lot of different Jeeps trying to figure the system out. Most of the civilian and commercial SSOs start with a "D." I have seen some that start with "GPD" "G" and "GS" all of which are government of military rigs. Quite a number of them are special paint and nothing more that is apparent. The special parts, unfortunately, were not comprehensively listed in the parts manuals and they refer you to contacting Jeep direct for the special parts. No doubt the SSR&O were cataloged somewhere but the records are lost or in hiding somewhere. There are a few that still exist but they are not publicly accessible. I have found three SSO summaries in some records I got in a purchase of records from the estate of a deceased Jeep engineer, D5090 and D5078. The D5090 is for the Renegade 1, believe it or not, and the other is for a CJ-5 being adapted for a commercial application. The third I am not talking about at present. All three are from late '69 to mid '70. The Renegade lists a production number of 500 and the other has a production number of 80 units. I didn't even know I had them until I finally dug thru a pile of loose papers that had been in a folder for 20 years since I bought the materials. I had skimmed thru them and most of it was just mundane stuff like testing bolts for strength, problems with paint compositions etc.
     
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  4. Jul 22, 2017
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    4xWriter, The trim codes for 1971 Cj5's with bucket seats are:
    338 Buckskin
    339 Marlin Blue
    340 Charcoal
    Trim codes for 2/3 driver 1/3 passenger seats are:
    341 Buckskin
    342 Marlin Blue
    343 Charcoal
    Not all paint and trim combinations were available.
    I own a 71 Rene II and the paint is Riverside Orange with 338 trim. Dash pad and seat belts are Buckskin as well.
     
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  5. Jul 22, 2017
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    Thanks.

    Did yours have the SSO plate? That would help me pin the Riverside Orange color to an SSO number.

    I pretty much have all the regular stuff from various primary sources. I have many Jeep Data Books, including a '71, but, unfortunately, the Renegade didn't start showing up in them until '74, after it was made an RPO (Regular Production Option). The Renegade has separate documentation that isn't often found. I haven't anyway and don't know anyone that has. I image there is a "Parts Peculiar" book too, as there was for the Tuxedo Park, but I have never seen one. My research into Renegades was never all that extensive, even for the various books I did year ago. I have been researching SSOs for about a year and the Renegades are a part of that. Finishing up a story for Jp on the SC-1 Commando, which was another SSO rig.
     
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    Do you know if the "462" had the SSO plate?
    My 71 did Not have the SS0 plate.
     
  7. Jul 22, 2017
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    It probably did at some point, but they come off so easily.

    The 462 probably did too.. assuming it existed. I haven't looked in a while, but I have seen neither any paperwork for one, nor a survivor. I know they built a few for a press event but the question remains... did they offer them for sale generally? It seems clear that Johnny Cash had one, or something like one, but what it was and how he got it isn't clear. If it really was the mythical 462, it could have been one of the ones built for that press event. The story isn't clear and thus far all that's out there are WAGs, heresay and speculation. Would love to learn the story fur sure.
     
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  8. Jul 23, 2017
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    4xwriter have you seen the Johnson Dash Plate...

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  9. Jul 23, 2017
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    Wow!. No I had not seen that, or anything like it. I have seen pics of one of LBJ's ranch Jeeps. Is it yours? If so, tell the story!
     
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    All the inaugural floats in LBJ parade were pulled by Jeeps. They all had this plate on the glove box door. The one I have came with a dash I bought from a member. The dash is for a column shift. I believe the ranch Jeep was Reagan's...

    There are video/films of the LBJ parade with the Jeeps pulling floats...
     
  11. Jul 23, 2017
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    The LBJ ranch Jeep I saw is a Station Wagon with a 4-door conversion. Col that the plaque got saved at least!
     
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    Reagan's Jeep...

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  13. Jul 23, 2017
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    Yep, it's at the Reagan Library along with a Scrambler.
     
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    The LBJ Inaugural Jeeps that pulled the floats were all Tuxedo Park MklV (first generation with the column shift/F-134) and they were either red, white, or blue in the parade. No green ones! I have an article from the early 1970's that gave some details, but I haven't the paper in over 20 years. I'll have to do some digging to get the supposed numbers. I used to know a guy up in NC back around 1970 that had one of the red ones.
    There were also some special Presidential Tuxes back in '63 or '64 too.
    -Donny
     
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    According to the book "The Story of Jeep" by Pat Foster there were 600 R-II made, 200 yellow Baja, 200 green mint, 50 Riverside orange and 150 Big bad orange.
    To be truthful I am not sure that mine is a Riverside orange or a Big bad orange. My color kind of looks more like the Big Bad orange, but other then his book I have never seen that color talked about. But AMC did use that color on there cars at that time so maybe that is the color mine is. I went to our dealer a few years ago to see if they still had that old sales record to see if it showed my color and they had just destroyed those old records the week before I came in.:(
     
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    Yeah, the Tuxedo Park Mark IV had SSR&O numbers too. So far the two I have seen , a '65 and a '66, had D4114.

    Donny, if you can find that article to copy or at least reference what publication it was in, I'd be grateful. Something good to file away!
     
  17. Jul 24, 2017
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    Yeah, those numbers are suspect. I've used them too but where are the primary documents to confirm them one way or the other.

    The thing is, it's a projected sales number, such as what they would release in the promotional information. But it's just that... a projection. Generally speaking, they would build only what they could sell. If they sold well and there were no part shortage issues or some such, the projection might be something close to reality. If it went like hotcakes, they might build even more. The bottom line was always that they tried to avoid getting stuck with excess special parts unique to a partiular model, or to be stuck with Jeep inventory to sell at a loss. The build costs for a special were higher, so it hurt more to sell them at a loss.

    The number 500 on the document I mentioned earlier is the first time I have see an internal, primary document with any number listed. Not saying it's the end-all-be-all number, because there could be documents out there that contradict. It is what it is... an interesting clue. I suspect that it's also a projected number.

    I can't tell Riverside Orange and Big Bad Orange apart either. I wonder if they are one in the same, just renamed. The big problem is looking at colors that have been scanned and then displayed on monitors that may or may not be color corrected properly. One little tweak of the monitor can completely change the color. If you are sufficiently caffeinated, get a magazine art director's lecture on digital color. IMO, the only way to tell for sure is to hold the two paint chips (or another sample) in your hands for comparison.
     
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    Agree 100% and those color scanners like the paint stores use are not that great ether.

    For what it is worth here is a picture I took of it about 2 weeks after I bought it. Is from a Kodacolor slide which usually are pretty good, but as you say what the monitors do is another story. Being somewhat color blind myself I will let other determine what the color is.:)

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  19. Jul 24, 2017
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    That is Jeep porn, my friend, and you should be arrested for posting it! ( : < ).

    Do you mean Kodachrome? Codacolor was the old print film. Kodachrome is the most stable and color-true film there ever was. I have slides my dad took in WWII that look as perfect now as the days he took them in '42-45. It was new stuff then.
     
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    Opps, yep I meant Kodachrome It was great stuff, I think far better then these new digital stuff.

    In case your interested here are a couple more views that I took at that time. The only changes I had made to it at that time were I mounted the wrench and installed a radio and 8 track tape player ( it was the 70's remember :)) If you look close you can see the antenna mounted on the back.


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