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Ball Joint Question

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by johneyboy03, Apr 13, 2017.

  1. Apr 13, 2017
    johneyboy03

    johneyboy03 The green beast

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    Hi guy's i'm installing ball joint on my dana 44 (same as jeep cj dana 30) and the ajustement sleeve come off the bottom of the " C ". I'M going trought the tsm procedure, 75 lbs bottom nut, them 50 lbs to the ajustement sleeve and 100 lbs to upper castle nut.

    iF i took off the knukkle here how the ajusting sleeve come....

    I don't know if its normal?

    I had problem before with ball joint so i want to make sure everything is ok

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  2. Apr 13, 2017
    nwedgar

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    I don't think the adjustment sleeve should be that far screwed in, as far as I remember when replacing mine it did not protrude from the bottom like that.
     
  3. Apr 13, 2017
    johneyboy03

    johneyboy03 The green beast

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    When i took off the old ball joint the ajustement sleeve was flush with the bottom...just don't know if it's right with the new one...
     
  4. Apr 13, 2017
    1974Sixer

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    I'm replacing the ball joints on my dana 30 and my split ring is set at almost the same position. I was wondering if it just "worked" it's self out and down. ...waiting for an answer to your question considering I'm ready to re-install tonight.
     
  5. Apr 13, 2017
    toy89yota

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    Not to hijack your thread but are those RCV axle shafts I see? Just wondering how you like them.
     
  6. Apr 13, 2017
    johneyboy03

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    Yes, i'm still waiting to know if it's normal....i did search on other forum a question to my answer and so far nothing come up....

    I'm just in the middle of the installation of the rcv axle. I have one done but now i'm stopped by the ball joint issu. I have good rewiew from a friend of mine who running them in a dana 30 for 1 year and he love it. Biggest improve is whem you're turning it's smooth vs a u-joint type.

    I hope it will be as good as the headache i got from the installing. i will give some rewiew on my built post that you can follow here.

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    1974Sixer

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    4wealn

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    Hey Johneyboy, I just rebuilt the shortened Dana 44 axle I put in the front of my Jeep and to get the torque to 50ftlb mine was in the same position as your pic. I do know that the one I took out was flush on the bottom but to get a torque of 50, mine had to go down a bit further. Would be nice to know if this is correct.
     
  9. Apr 13, 2017
    mortten

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    Looking at the service manual I have you install the sleeve until it's flush with the top of the yoke. The ball joints should already be pressed into the knuckle. You then install the knuckle. Tighten the lower nut 70 to 90 ftlbs. Then tighten the seat to 50 ftlbs. Install and tighten the top nut to 100 ftlbs. I can scan the page if you like.
     
  10. Apr 14, 2017
    johneyboy03

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    That's exactly what i said on the first post...i did the exact procedure that TSM said (exactly what you wrote) and i'm having the result you see in the first picture. I just took off the knukkle so you can see how much the sleeve go out the knukkle.
     
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    mortten

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    Scratching my head then. Never saw the seat go that low. Wrong ball joint maybe?
     
  12. Apr 14, 2017
    1974Sixer

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    It does appear that my new Moog ball joint may have a slightly thicker stud which is probably why they sent a new split ring with the new ball joint. I suspect that if someone used a different ball joint without the matching split ring then yes, maybe you would have to sink it that low in order to get the 50 ft lbs of preload.

    I spent the evening grinding down a socket that would fit my split ring in order to torque my preload of the split ring. $27 was the cheapest Ball Joint Spanner socket I could find so a $3 stanley socket and 15 minutes at the workbench resulted in a new tool that seems to work well.

    It's my understanding to tighten the bottom ball joint stud first to 75 ft lbs then tighten the split ring to 50 ft lbs and then the top ball joint stud to 100 ft lbs.
     
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    johneyboy03

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    K3194t and K3195t are the one i have for my application (same on every dana 30 and 44 of that era.)
    I use the splint ring that come with the new ball joint....
     
  14. Apr 18, 2017
    4wealn

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    What was the consensus on this, just curious to see if I did something wrong when I put mine together.
     
  15. Apr 19, 2017
    1974Sixer

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    As far as mine, I used the new splint ring that came with my moog ball joint and couldn't get the 50 lbs of preload on the passenger side. I was afraid I was going to run out of thread it sunk so low. Got it to about 40 lbs and with it sticking down about two threads further than johneyboy's photo. I must have a bent flange on the axle?
     
  16. Apr 19, 2017
    johneyboy03

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    Finaly end up leave those as they are on my picture. I got the 50 ft torque on both of them. I will run them and check them couple time to see if everything hold up.
     
  17. Apr 19, 2017
    4wealn

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    Sounds good. I have mine just like yours Johneyboy, and have been out in it a couple times and no issues so far. I will leave them alone then.
    Thank you.
     
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