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Alternator Question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by taters55, Jan 26, 2005.

  1. Jan 26, 2005
    taters55

    taters55 New Member

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    I have a question why my alternator is overcharging. Changed the 55 over to 12 volt .I put on a used Gm alternator and it was overcharging, so I put in a new internal regulator and it is still overcharging! Any Ideas as why it still is? Thanks
     
  2. Jan 26, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Normally, the problem with an alternator conversion is in getting the wiring correct so it WILL charge. Your problem is the opposite, so I'm going to suggest that the used alternator has another internal problem. Of course, it *is* always possible that the regulator you just replaced is also bad, it wouldn't be the first time an off-the-shelf part was defective. If it were me, I think I'd spring for another alternator, rather than dumping more $$$ into this one.
     
  3. Jan 26, 2005
    CT

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    Might take it off and take it to someplace like Auto Zone and get them to check it out.

    How do you know it is overcharging? What is it doing?
     
  4. Jan 26, 2005
    taters55

    taters55 New Member

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    We put a meter on it at the local napa store and it read almost 16 on the meter. So that's why i changed the regulator. can i just put a one wire alternator on???
     
  5. Jan 26, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    You could go the one-wire route, but it really doesn't gain you anything other than two less wires to connect.

    The three-wire unit has the big 6-8 GA wire from the back stud to the battery, a 12v wire from the ignition switch to the side plug, and a third wire from the side plug to the indicator light, if used. The 12v wire from the ignition tells the alternator to start charging, and the internal regulator tells it when to stop.

    The one-wire unit simply shuts off at low RPMs, such as at idle. It is internally excited, so it doesn't need the 12v sensing wire from the ignition switch. They're also a little more expensive. You can also get a kit to convert a 3-wire GM alternator over to a 1-wire, but that is assuming that you have a good, working alternator in the first place.

    Hope this helps! :beer:
     
  6. Jan 26, 2005
    taters55

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    Steve, i have one wire to the battery from the stud and the big wire from the side plug back to the same stud. Have the small wire from the side plug to a hot lead on the ignition switch. So do i have it hooked up right????? Thanks!!!





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  7. Jan 26, 2005
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

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    Hmmmm. My one wire alternator charges good at idle.
     
  8. Jan 26, 2005
    schardein

    schardein Low Range Therapy

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    The two wire plug on the alt, one wire should go to the amp light on the speedo cluster (which in turn is wired to ign hot), and the other can go to the output stud as described. Can't remember which is which though.

    If you have the other wire straight to ign, it might be the problem. It should have some resistance in it. If you don't want to run the indicator light, you can just use an inline resistor from radio shack or the like. I am in the field right now so can't get the specs for the recommended resistor rating.

    If you do a search I put a link in another thread to an article that said the other wire that goes from the plug to the output stud is better wired to a point somewhere else in the system to "remote sense" the voltage further down the circuit, such as the bat hot lead on the horn relay (which some Jeeps don't have stock by the way) or somewhere similar. I rewired mine that way and haven't really noticed a difference. In theory it should work better, but I wouldn't sweat it.

    I do suggest you continue to work the problem, once you figure it out the Delco alt really is the way to go.
     
  9. Jan 26, 2005
    campwillys

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    junkyard alternators around my neck of the woods is $10.00 for a 1 wire setup. Think I took it off a gm product took bracket and all, but havent hooked it up.just letting you know they are not expensive unless buying new.
     
  10. Jan 26, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Here's an excellent reference page, far better than I can describe here. I've got the three-wire unit, but its not wired in permanently. Until the thaw comes, I'm relegated to the rat's nest of jumper wires under the hood.... :rofl:


    http://mightymo.org/Proj_OneWire.html#How it works
     
  11. Jan 27, 2005
    Old Bill

    Old Bill Aggressively passive....

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    Here's some research material for you'se all....

    http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/delcoremy.shtml
    http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/remotevoltagesensing.shtml
    http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/onewire-threewire.shtml

    The guy is ah, er, interesting, to talk to in person, but he knows what he's talking about. I ordered the relay kit for my headlights and some junction blocks from him. He was a big help with some questions I had.

    FWIW, I went with the 3 wire alternator. I had it, it worked, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

    HTH
     
  12. Jan 27, 2005
    budtoh3zo

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    Thanks for the link Steve its going to help me lots in my buggy.
     
  13. Jan 27, 2005
    Patrick

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    Mine too. If I have the headlights and heater and wipers on, it drops to about 12.5v at 500 RPM. Anything above 550 or so, and it'll sit at 13.5-14v...
     
  14. Jan 27, 2005
    taters55

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    Thanks for the info!!
     
  15. Jan 27, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Yeah, I know. I read somewhere about how to change the RPM at which the alternator will kick on, but I'll be durned if I can find it now. I thought the 3000 RPM figure was a tad high, but most alternators are overdriven by their pulley arrangement anyway...
     
  16. Jan 27, 2005
    taters55

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    Can the old regulator on the firewall from the generator that was on there be causing it to overcharge?? Thanks for all the help.
     
  17. Jan 28, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Welllll, the old regulator shouldn't be connected when you are using a Delco alternator, since the Delco is internally regulated. It should be disconnected.
     
  18. Jan 28, 2005
    taters55

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    Steve, I took the wires off last night but when i did, no power any where so i hooked it back up. So what do i do with the wires? Also took alternator and had it checked. It is putting out the right amount of volts.
     
  19. Jan 28, 2005
    James P. Enderwies

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    Steve & Tater: This is a question I've had for a long time. I've got a good GM 63 amp sitting here that I haven't hooked up yet. My question is, what to do with the old regulator mounted on the fender well. Just pull the plug on it and tape up the plug? Or are some of these wires going to the regulator have to be "re-routed" to maintain contunity?
     
  20. Jan 28, 2005
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    Hokay. here's the skinny on wiring up a 3-wire GM alternator.

    The big stud on the back of the alternator should have a #6 or #8 wire run from it directly to the (+) terminal on the battery. Use good crimp-on rings, and solder them for good measure since this wire carries the rated load of the alternator when the battery is deeply discharged, or you have a lot of draw.

    The #1 terminal on the side plug is for the indicator light in the dash, if you use one. If not, just leave it disconnected and it won't hurt anything.

    The #2 terminal needs to be run to the "cold" side of the ignition switch, so that you can shut everything down when you turn off the key. Some folks will take the easy way out, and just run this to the big stud on the back and call it good. Unfortunately, there is always a slight drain on the battery this way, and it will go dead eventually when sitting.

    One of the most common wiring mistakes folks make when messing with the alternator wiring is to end up back-feeding the ignition system so that cutting off the key will not kill the engine. if this happens, look at where the #2 wire is hooked up and you will likely see your problem. The power to the #2 wire must no be allowed to backfeed the ignition.

    Clear as mud?

    Tater, I'd pull the harness off the old regulator as you did before, and run a temporary jumper from the #2 terminal. Fire the Jeep up, and touch the other end of the jumper to the + terminal of the battery. You should hear the engine bog down slightly under the alternator load when the alternator kicks in. It sounds to me like you had the old regulator trying to 'help' the new alternator and the result was the overcharging condition. Once you get the Delco sorted out, you'll prolly never have to touch it again!
     
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