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wheel lean?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by cj5lover, May 31, 2011.

  1. May 31, 2011
    cj5lover

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    hey guys
    my 62 cj5 has a bad wheel lean. when standing 5 or 10 feet infront of it, the drivers wheel is nicely straigh up and down (or level.) the passenger wheel though has a pretty bad lean. it toes in so that the tire is going to wear out rather quickly. i don't know how long this has been going on. what is this? camber? needs shims? bent axle? it goes down the road ok but pulls to the right and at 45 mph+ wobbles real bad.
     
  2. May 31, 2011
    SIDSCJ

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    Jack up the pass front. Rotate the wheel thru several revolutions. Check: rim bent, spindle bent or bolts loose, wheel bearings, etc. Grab the wheel at 6 &12 o'clock and push/pull on it. Check for slop/wear in the king pins top & bottom. If all checks out good, you may have bent the axle housing itself. Although with that being the short side, I kinda doubt it. Can you get a pic of it up on here?
     
  3. May 31, 2011
    timgr

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    Yeah, I'd bet on the kingpin bearings ... but you need to check it out, as above.
     
  4. Jun 2, 2011
    cj5lover

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    i jacked it up, the wheel has no play grabbing it at 6 and 12 and jiggling it. axle housing seems straight. rim is fine. here's the kicker. when the vehical is going or has just gone forward the lean is there and bad, but when driving in reverse it straightens out. i noticed the wheel seemed fine (straight up and down) when i backed it into a parking spot. what could this be? tried it twice and keeps doing it.
     
  5. Jun 2, 2011
    timgr

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    Seems contrary to your jiggle test.

    I'd take it apart and see where the movement comes from. For the wheel to tilt, either the spindle has to be loose from the knuckle, or the kingpin bearings have to be sloppy ... that's all I can think of.
     
  6. Jun 2, 2011
    Warloch

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    Spindle / Knuckle issue. I have seen it before. Mine turned out to be wallowed out holes in the knuckle that allowed the wheel to shift.
     
  7. Jun 2, 2011
    Don X

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    Could a problem with the knuckle housing (besides the kingpins) cause a problem? Such as the rear seal bolts being loose?
     
  8. Sep 24, 2013
    mikesgoat

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    Did you ever find the issue? My '64 has the same toe in. It's been visible for years but now that I put wider tires on it the problem seems to be multiplied.mehhmehh I just replaced the wheel bearings but not the knuckle bearings... Also pulls hard to that side
     
  9. Sep 24, 2013
    mikesgoat

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    When braking
     
  10. Sep 24, 2013
    nickmil

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    Also grab and wiggle at the 3 and 9 o'clock position. Could be play in the tie rid ends or other steering components if worn it can allow toe to change and cause exactly what you are describing n


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  11. Sep 25, 2013
    Posimoto

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    It's possible for the kingpin bearing to fail and not show up as being loose when you try to wiggle it. Mine did. A couple of the rollers were gone and the cage was crushed allowing the center pin to wallow it's way into the cage and become stuck. No looseness apparent with the wheel jacked up but definitely thrashed the kingpin bearing.
     
  12. Oct 1, 2013
    mikesgoat

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    Ok so.... I just got my girl back from alignment. :/ the consensus was that they could only adjust the toe. They did and the drag link is maxed out, probably because it's a bent drag off of a cj7. They said that the camber on the driver side was at -2*. Also... The caster is too far out. So... HELP lol. I just had everything apart and the kingpin bearings "appeared" to be fine but should I just replace them anyway? Do the shims on the kingpins effect these adjustments at all? I'm assuming that the caster effects handling also. It drives fine when on a smooth straight road but seems to be all over the place when on a rougher road.
     
  13. Oct 1, 2013
    PeteL

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    King pin shims are only to adjust the roller bearing.

    You may have a bent spindle if the vehicle has been used hard.

    I had a J4000 that had both spindles bent from abuse, and in fact one came right off the truck one day with the wheel and brake assembly, as the bolts were stripped out.
     
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  14. Oct 1, 2013
    mikesgoat

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    Axle stub? Spindle? Inner c?
     
  15. Oct 1, 2013
    PeteL

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    I guess I meant to say bent spindle. Sorry!

    (Previous email edited accordingly.)
     
  16. Oct 3, 2013
    mikesgoat

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    So basically, if the camber is off.... Something is broke/bent. Dang it. Guess I'll rip her apart again. bunny with a pancake
     
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