F head vacuum line routing

I just got some new vacuum lines from Walcks and I'm wondering about the accuracy of the lines and would like to see a couple pictures of a restored or original with the vacuum line routing on the front of the engine and how the the wiper lines are suppose to run to the pump. I know where they all connect, just want to see how the lines are run. I'd especially like to see where the wiper line hooks into a hardline and then the pump.

Thanks.

 

No one will take pictures? Come on guys... help me out.

 

Looky here:http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/Hurricane.html

 

I actually looked at all of those pictures and none helped me with my quest. There are two pieces I'm interested in knowing. On the "Rebuilding an F head engine" site by Eric Lawson, it's noted that the water pump as two clips that hold the fuel line. In my "Jeep CJ Rebuilders Manual" it says the water pump clips hold the vacuum line. Which is correct?

The second part of my question is the vacuum line from the pump to the wipers. I believe there is a hard line that runs in the engine bay for a bit before it connects to the rubber hose. It's not shown in the photos on http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/Hurricane.html but it is shown on http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/Tech/EngineRebuilding.html. I want to know the proper vacuum line routing for that line (I assume it's for the wipers).

Should this thread be in the resto and research area?

 

Can someone chime in on this topic?

 

Part 1.
Originally the fuel and vac lines ran together around the front of the block.
Both came off the fuel pump, fuel to the carb and vac to the port on the head (under the carb).There were clips that held them together (right underneath the water pump), and two clips that bolt to the water pump itself at 6 & 3 o'clock as you face the motor.
No help on part 2, sorry.

 

Thanks for the information on the first part. I a little surprised that no one has been able to address the second part. Someone has to know the answer!

 

Maybe this will help...

Here is what I've got (or had). Not sure if if was original or not. It could have been farmer fixed.
I intend to redo it as it was, and see how it goes or until I get the urge to go electric.

The vacuum hard-line comes from the bottom of the carb, across the top of the valve cover, then to rubber and through the firewall.



How is sets currently:

 

I'm pretty sure thats not stock. I think the PCV system (if equipped) and heater control switch hook into the manifold.

 

No mine didn't have PVC.

PCV system is pretty is vague as far as documentation, and there are a lot of variations (apparently)

But I got to looking around some more. Here is a tee under the carb, (where mine 90's in). It appears to be hardline from the pump and hose goes out the left, twds the firewall.



All I got,

Good Luck

 

That is stock as far as I know, I parted two CJ-5's that had that exact setup.
Don't believe I have those parts left though.

 

Vacuum tube routing has been covered a couple times on the 3B Bulletin Board.
Try the SEARCH

As previously noted there are a couple variations for the PCV tubing through the years.
However there was a common "standard" for use in 1963.

Ludels CJ Rebuilders Manual is not intended as a guide for "restoration" procedures.

The pics posted by Philip-TX is not a Hurricane engine from any CJ.
His pics shows a PU or SW engine.
SW/ PU engines are readily identified by the valve cover /breather cap.
A true CJ engine most generally (some exceptions) begins with 4J prefix serial number.

 

I checked the 3B Bulletin Board, but didn't see the line to the wipers addressed. I have tried to search extensively, but haven't found an answer.

I'm aware the CJ Rebuilders Manual is not a restoration guide, I was simply using it as a reference, just as other manuals, forums etc.

Are the illustrations of the Hurricane on the sites in

of a CJ engine?
You'll notice one with a hard line.

Does 4J prefix you reference for a CJ engine have anything to do with the possible vacuum line routing? Regardless of if the block is from a CJ or not, couldn't the vacuum lines be routed the same?

 

For pre 1968 F-134 Hurricane engines there are two seperate vacuum systems in use.
One for the PCV system and another for the Trico wipers.

There are 3 basic variations of the PVC system for the F-134 Hurricane.
The correctly chosen system is dependant upon Jeep model and specific vintage.
All 3 systems can be interchanged thus yeilding Trans-vintage or Trans-model modifications.

The Trico wipers all run off the lower section of the fuel / vacuum pump.
A short steel tube having right angle bends exits the lower vacuum section of the AC pump.
A thick rubber vaccum hose fits over the open vacuum tube.

Some pics here: http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bulletin_Board/index.php?showtopic=3610&st=0&

 

On mine there is a T that has one leg caped, one hardline leg goes to the PCV and the third is a hardline that runs to the port under the carb.
The caped leg is supposed to have a flex line that runs to the vacuum pump side of the dual pump, which is no longer on the JEEP. Then on to the wipers.

The '51 PU I used to drive when I was in college had the same thing in it. The vacuum powered wiper motors wear at the bottom of the split windshield.

 

if i remember correct when I ripped mine down,it connects from fuel pump up along frame rail , until you come to cowl section run s up along were the fender bolts to tub and out the the little hole on the top side section tub and hooks to line on window frame

 

I know the two systems are separate and the wipers hook up to the lower vacuum section of the pump and after they leave the engine bay they go through the dash and up. My jeep is a 63 CJ-6, built in 63. It has the PCV system. My question is what one of the three system should I be running in my jeep and what is the proper routing in the engine bay?

 

The Hurricane powered SW's and PU's used an open crankcase ventilating system.
The Hurricane powered CJ's used one of two slightly different closed crankcase ventilating systems.
The earlier Hurricane CJ closed system (PVC) has an additional vent that is seen on top of the rocker cover.
The later (including 1963 CJ-6) Hurricane CJ closed system (PVC) uses a non vented rocker cover.
IMHO that is the best of all three systems

 

Thats great information. The only thing left to identify is the proper routing and and tubing material of the wiper vacuum line within the engine bay to the pump. I have seen some illustrations of what appears to be a metal line running under the exhaust manifold - like this picture

I have also seen many with the tubing running along the fender then connecting to the pump. Any idea what way is correct?

 

I haven't seen a response in a long time on my question. Does anyone know the correct routing of the wiper vacuum line as referenced in the previous post?