Renegade ID discussion

Front and back?

 

My 71 (built Oct 70) has the 14a with 3.73 gears

 

I know the feeling, sometimes its 7 or 8 books at a time.
I sure thought those strange prefix numbers looked like the AMC group index.
I tried to stop collecting manuals at 1971 but you know how long that will last.
By the way I just bought me a rare W-1195 R1.

Thanks for the input Chuck.
Obviously then, Renergades came with both differential ratios.
I previously guessed that all Renegades were 4.89 differential ratio due to this speedometer gear listed in the W-1195 R2.

17-09........ 931383........Gear,driven, speedometer ( 16 T ) ( also used on Renegade )

1970CJ-6, Thanks for the reflector pics....

The same front reflector is indicated in the Universal Parts Catalogs for all CJ's.
The 1970 Renegade that started this discusion has the same amber front reflector too.
It was hard to see the rear of that jeep and I wasn't paying strict attention to it but I believe that jeep sports a different rear quarter panel reflector.
IIRC It is narrower, more like the rear quarter panel lights. Seems to be 1970 Renegade specific according to the UPC's.

 

A freind of mine had a 71 R11 and it had the indent in the front fender like the later Jeeps.
On the rear it had a indent on the drivers side with the light/reflector, on the pass side it had no indent but used the same light/reflector as drivers side.
It had a solid rear panel and the spare was mounted to it.

Andrew

 

yes indeed

 

Ding ding ding ding ding.....We have a winner. Patrick calls it right.
Sorry no prizes awarded where prohibited by law!

I checked my notes and it looks like # 931381 Gear, drive (6 T ) ( 3.73 ratio) mates with # 931383 Gear, driven ( 16 T )

And it looks like # 910086 Gear, drive (6 T ) ( for 4.88 ratio ) mates with # 910088 Gear, driven ( 20 T )

Was my previous mistake thinking 4.88 was standard on early Renegade.

 

I suppose all Renegade I or II's used the Borg Warner T-14A .
Just out of curiosity has anyone ever seen a Renegade I,II originally equipped with a Borg Warner T-18 ? ( 4.02 first gear ratio I would suppose )

Zoomer,
What do your October built Renegade I rear quarter panel reflectors look like ?

 

My 70 has the t14, 4:88 and the BW over drive

 

Borg Warner overdrive ? That seems strange to me.

In my most humble opinion.....
A Warn overdrive in unison with 4.88 differential ratio posatively promotes the ultimate in ECJ-5 potential
But only when you consider a multitude of other factors that produce a complete synchronous system.

The Borg Warner overdrive system is much better adapted ( certaionly its not a direct installation) to the longer ( beyond 81" ) wheelbased jeeps.

 

Sorry - I'm an idiot. The overdrive is a warn. I watched star trek so now I put borg in everything.

My appologies

 

Overengineer, that was really a good joke.

I sorta suspected you had a Warn O.D.

I'm still trying to score with that Renegade I.

I'm sure I'll get it in good time.

 

Having watched this thread with interest, I thought that I might add some information that might explain some things.
Let me give a little back ground on the RI and RII. As you know Kaiser was not doing too good when they got bought out by AMC in the spring of 1970. Even before that, there was talks between AMC and Kaiser. One of the results was that they were trying to make sales to the new and young generation of people vs. the old standby hunters, farmers, etc., to increase sales. The idea they came up with was to make a CJ-5 “sporty”, like a lot of the car companies were doing. The RI was the result of this, followed by the RII. According to the dealer I bought my RII from, Hank Lockin, he said that the dealers could not order a RII, AMC picked who got them. Remember there were only about 600 made. I don’t remember how Hank said the dealers were picked, but the state of Wyoming only got 2. One here in Sheridan that I bought and one at a dealer down in Riverton. Of course I am sure that if the dealer did not want it, they could turn it down, but I doubt any did. You might even say the RII program was more like a advertising campaign for what AMC had planned for the 72 models. I had a friend who wanted to get one and could not because of the way AMC distributed them and no more were available for the state of Wy. The point I am getting at here is that the dealer could not just go out and order a RII for someone that just walked in the door like a regular order, let alone order one with any factory options. Of course I am sure they could add dealer options if they wanted to. Because of this, unless the factory sent some out with different transmission, etc., they would all be the same. I don’t know for sure, but knowing how car companies work, I really doubt that AMC made any RII with different main components (transmissions, engines, etc). Car companies like to do things the same on assembly lines, and not have changes. Of course as small parts go, I am sure that AMC was using up what they had and so different small items might be different (oil gages, alternator, etc.). As far as what parts manuals show, I think I would be careful on trying to determine what kind of Jeep you had by parts numbers in the manual. Remember that right at this time with AMC doing the buy out, I am sure that there was a lot going on in the background and I have a feeling that AMC was not real really worried about the things done in the past and putting together manuals for old items was not on the top of there list.
How much all this pertained to the R I, I don’t know for sure, but I have a feeling that it was the same case in a lot of it.
For what it's worth that's how I remember things
Mike

 

Mike, do you have a copy of the factory window sticker ?
You posted a copy of the dealer invoice/purchase order.

Unfortunately, the parts/service manuals (right or wrong) are about the only means left available to prove or disprove a CJ5 as being a Renegade model. Other than an original owner like Mike that is.

Knowing what changes were made (if any) and what equipment was unique to the model are the only clues left to work with.

I would have to believe that more RIIs were sold in CA than most any other state; being one of the most populous , mild weather, more dealers etc etc......in my opinion.

 

I wish I did, but it's long gone.
I do have a copy of the owners manual and warranty info, but there not RII specific.

Warning, they are some big files. Dial up beware!!
http://www.hdts.vcn.com/JEEP/JEEP%20OWNERS%20MANUAL%20SMALL.pdf

http://www.hdts.vcn.com/JEEP/JEEP%20WARRANTY.pdf



I thought it was odd that a small Dealer like ours (Sheridan population about 8,000 and Riverton about 4,000 then) would get one and not Cheyenne or Casper with pops of over 60,000. I think it had to do with if the dealers had other brands like a lot Jeep dealers did ( sold Chevys and Jeeps together) I think AMC was trying to change this.
Also as a side note, I know where the other RII is. It was bought by a rancher down in the Red Desert and about 15 years ago I was in that part of the world and saw it parked out in a field. I stopped and asked about it and he was in bad health and could not drive it any more, but would not sale it. About 10 years ago I was down there again and it was still there. I stopped and he was still sick and dying and no, it was not for sale. About 4 years ago when I was in that area, it was still parked in the same spot and so I stopped. The rancher had died and his wife and kids said that they would never sale it because he liked it so well and I guess I don't blame them, as my wife and kids would be the same way. It is in pretty good shape except for the top and seats. Paint not too bad and the wheels still real shinny and all. It is real dry down there. I will never stop again as I know how they feel and don't want to bother them.

 

Nothing like being there at the time, thanks for sharing Mike.