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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by SFaulken, Aug 24, 2015.

  1. Sep 8, 2015
    jeepermc

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    Lol... I was at the pick n pull in Parkland on sunday looking for parts to replace the rear fuel filler hose on my Ford that was forcibly removed by a blown tire in July. Love the half price weekends! $20 and all was done but man are they busy those days!
     
  2. Sep 8, 2015
    Focker

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    I could be wrong but I think the stock MC has the residual valve too? The front fitting has a larger ID than the rear. The Ford MC looks the same (at least from what I can see).
     
  3. Sep 8, 2015
    SFaulken

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    Far as I know, drum systems don't use residual valves. Not saying the jeep one doesn't have one
     
  4. Sep 9, 2015
    Focker

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    Can you do me a favor a measure the diameter of the brackets you picked up?
     
  5. Sep 9, 2015
    SFaulken

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    Ummmm, which dimension? I already cut the mud collectors off.....
     
  6. Sep 9, 2015
    Focker

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    Edge to edge of the outside diameter... Mine's 14".
     
  7. Sep 9, 2015
    SFaulken

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    Yeah, I'll grab that for you later tonight. I just got done painting them, and I'm not touching them for a few hours.
     
  8. Sep 9, 2015
    SFaulken

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    14" OD, with a six bolt mounting circle, on 4" cross centers.
     
  9. Sep 9, 2015
    Focker

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    Thank you very much... I think it's going to work. Let's keep each other up to date on deals!
     
  10. Sep 9, 2015
    nickmil

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    The light duty 3/4 ton units can work, the heavy duty 3/4 ton units are actually a larger diameter and moves the caliper outwards. They can be used, but will not have full pad contact to the rotor.
     
  11. Sep 9, 2015
    Focker

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    I think they're off a '76 K20.
     
  12. Sep 9, 2015
    SFaulken

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    You should be fine. Like I said, the "Light Duty" 3/4 Tons used the same axles as the 1/2 tons.
     
  13. Sep 10, 2015
    nickmil

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    The only ones I'm aware of that don't are when the vehicle has cup expanders and a spring in the wheel cylinders to hold tension between the cups and bore of the wheel cylinder. Otherwise there is typically a 10 psi residual pressure valve somewhere in the system. Frequently behind the line sealing seat in the master cylinder itself. It's very important on a frame mounted master cylinder to use a 10 psi unit on drum brakes and 2 psi unit in disc brakes with low mounted mc. Otherwise the fluid tends to drain back to the mc reservoir.
     
  14. Sep 10, 2015
    SFaulken

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    Yeah, that econoline cylinder was floor mounted, with discs in the front from the factory, it's the same one that's been in my '41 Pickup for years, with Mustang II front discs and 11" drums in the back. Pusher Pedal style, just like my CJ =]
     
  15. Sep 11, 2015
    Focker

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    Here's my stock '71 CJ5 MC...You can see there's a difference in the valve sizes. If I understand things correctly...
    I'm going to leave the rear (10lb) alone and add a 2 lb residual valve to the front. I can either add the valve inline or remove the stock valve and screw the residual valve in its place.

    <--- REAR..........FRONT --->
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  16. Sep 11, 2015
    nickmil

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    for front discs you first need to remove the stock 10 lb. residual pressure valve. It's behind the brass tube seat. Carefully remove the tube seat then remove the valve and spring. Reinstall the tube seat carefully then install the 2lb. unit inline. If you look real close at the hole in the tube seat you can see the check valve.
     
  17. Sep 11, 2015
    Focker

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    This is awesome...Broke the tap inside the seat. meh
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  18. Sep 12, 2015
    timgr

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    Re removing the tap, I've got nothing for you but a little sympathy.

    I would look for another cylinder. You can buy a new replacement from Crown, or maybe you can make a different application work. I would look for something with factory disk/drum brakes, and with the outlets on the passenger side. If I were still working at a parts store, I would look through the parts on the shelf, and look at any cores that come in. If you are friendly with the local parts store, you might ask if they can help you. They will be more likely to help if you ask when they aren't busy, ie not Saturday and the middle of the day.

    A cylinder from a '72 CJ has the ports on the correct side, and is not very expensive. Cruising through the RockAuto catalog, a 1976 Bronco cylinder might work - it has the holes on the right side, and originally came with disk/drums. And is cheap, ca $20 at RockAuto http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=309115&cc=1105580&jnid=1524&jpid=1
     
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  19. Sep 12, 2015
    Posimoto

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    I was able to remove the seat simply by running a sheet metal screw into it and pulling out with pliers.
     
  20. Sep 12, 2015
    Focker

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    Rub it in much? :D
     
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