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Zoomer
12-20-2002, 12:56 AM
WYOMIKE, $ sink and I have started working on a VIN project since there are a lot of questions relating to VIN numbers, month/year of manufacture, paint and trim, etc. I've created a PDF document (that is a work in progress at this point) that is a guide to where VINs / serial numbers, engine codes, and paint and trim codes are located and what they mean. I will be updating it as time permits.

The document is a 750 kb file located HERE (http://www.earlycj5.com/zoomer/Vehicle_Indentification.pdf), you'll need a PDF reader to view it such as Adobe Acrobat, Foxreader, etc.

The starting VIN for each month of Jan 1960 through June 1967 is documented well, but the prior and later years appear to have little documentation relating to what serial numbers come from what month or even year. We are attempting to help narrow down the month / year boundaries with your help. We thought while we were at it, this may also be an opportunity to help narrow down when certain production changes occurred (like shackle reversal, snorkel cutout, etc).

We're asking for your help. If you would like to participate in this project, please pm or email the following info to either myself (I prefer email, I'm not good about keeping my pm box cleared), WYOMIKE, or $ sink. You can post it here, but if you want to keep your VIN from being associated to you on the WWW I would suggest pm or email.

We are looking for any of the following information should you choose to contribute:

1. VIN #?
2. Month/Year of manufacture from dash tag?
3. Model year registered as?
4. Factory Front Shackle Reversal (Yes/No) (Early CJ5's came with the front axle shackles to the rear)?
5. Model 25 or Model 27 front axle?
6. Snorkel Cutout on hood (Yes / No)?
7. Windshield Frame Configuration (top mounted wipers, bottom mounted wipers with top of glass flat, bottom mounted wipers with top of glass arched)?
8. Large or small front turn signals?
9. Tapered or flanged rear axle?
10. Underseat or rear mounted fuel tank?
11. Hood mounted reflectors, front fender mounted markers, no markers / hood reflectors?
12. Windshield washers?
13. Single / Dual stick transfer case?
14. Paint and Trim codes?
15. Battery box cover on cowl?
16. Bow sockets on rear body corners?
17. 12V / 6V?
18. Foot starter button / key start?
19. Wiper (1 or 2) manual or electric?
20. Hood safety latch / prop rod?


If there are other production changes we should try to track, please let us know.

If you come across other info that may be useful to this project, please submit it.

If you find any errors in the above document, again, please let me know and I will correct it.


EDIT: Added this information to this post so it would show up on the first page of the thread (since all the VIN threads have been merged).


I'm thinking about getting some of the decals advertised here, and was wondering if there is a way to determine the approximate date of manufacture from the VIN number?

Thanks, Zoomer

The document is a 750 kb file located HERE (http://www.earlycj5.com/zoomer/Vehicle_Indentification.pdf), you'll need a PDF reader to view it such as Adobe Acrobat, Foxreader, etc.

Anonymous
12-20-2002, 07:16 PM
There are several of us here with 1970 CJ5s. What's your VIN? Maybe we can narrow it down by comparing it to ours.

Zoomer
12-21-2002, 10:58 PM
My VIN number is 8305017361782. Thanks for the help!

Zoomer

Anonymous
12-22-2002, 10:26 AM
Your serial number is about 2900 units behind two other '70 CJ5 owners that have a March 1970 build. Perhaps others will chime in to narrow it down a little further.

Anonymous
12-22-2002, 12:08 PM
I forgot to mention one caveat to my last post. I've read somewhere that the serial numbers from Kaiser do not necessarily represent the order of manufacture. Maybe someone can confirm or deny this statement.

Anonymous
12-22-2002, 07:05 PM
Is it possible that serial numbers were issued sequentially based on factory orders but the actual build taking place out of sequence?

Jeep_Lizard
12-22-2002, 09:18 PM
We've been working on this same problem on the Jeepster forum. The numbers were in order as built as far as we can tell by matching serial numbers with built dates from different owners.

Anonymous
12-22-2002, 09:33 PM
Sounds good Jeep_Lizard. Looks like we got Zoomer's CJ5 build from January to March assuming the manufacturer started the sequence from January. Hopefully, others will join in with their VINs to narrow it down further.

ArkansasCub
12-22-2002, 10:09 PM
Mine is 8305 017 362377, and is "supposedly" a 1969...

Zoomer
12-22-2002, 10:24 PM
Flyer, when you say my serial number is 2900 units behind two other '70 CJ5 owners that have a March 1970 build, do you mean 2900 lower serial number? If that's the case, and 8305017 366671 is an August build, that means there were 4898 units between my build date and August, and 2900 between my build date and March. That means they produced about 398 units per month between March and Aug ((4889 - 2900) / 5 months). Taking that back to my serial number that would put me about 7 months (2900/398) before March if production was pretty constant at about 400 per month. That would put my build about September of '69. If by 2900 behind you mean a higher serial number, between March and August, I'll have to re-calculate that. Did they start the new model year in about September like they do now back in '69 - '70? If that's the case, a build of September is plausible. Does anyone know about how many were produced for the 1970 production year? Thanks for all your help guys!

Anonymous
12-23-2002, 12:33 AM
Zoomer,
What I meant was that your serial number is about 2900 less than two other owners of CJ5s with a build date of March 1970. Sorry for the confusion. I don't know what to tell you about where your vehicle fits in based on ArkansasCub's serial number. Maybe others can shed some additional light on the situation. As for total production figures, according to the Jeep Illustrated Buyer's Guide by Jim Allen, there were 13,518 CJ5s produced in 1970.

gscj5
09-09-2004, 05:42 PM
I know we have covered this before but I did a search and can't find it. Where is a list of vin numbers for the CJ5's? Does anyone have a link?

Hippo393
09-14-2004, 01:58 AM
Greg, it's out there somewhere. IIRC, it was either "Bill F" or "Bill falconer" (or somebody similar to that) who put out a special VIN list about a year ago. Not sure if it covered 1970 CJ-5s though. I couldn't find it on my searchses either. Does somebody have that link? Or, can someone please chime in with a '70 that has a known month of manufacture? Greg's serial number is 363102. Let's at least see how close we can get to identifying the date of birth for his CJ.

Willys Motors
09-14-2004, 02:33 PM
The 3 links below should take you to the 1960-1967 CJ5 serial numbers.

The column labelled 8305 is the CJ5.


http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/Photos/SerialNumbers/SerialNosMonthly6063.gif
http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/Photos/SerialNumbers/SerialNosMonthly6365.gif
http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/Photos/SerialNumbers/SerialNosMonthly6567.gif

Hippo393
09-14-2004, 03:02 PM
Thanks, but we're looking for 1970 data. Anyone? Brad what's your s/n?

Willys Motors
09-14-2004, 10:42 PM
Well then in case it helps, Per AMC dealer price list Page 4 issued Jan 4 1971, beginning serial number for Universal CJ5 is 8305015-273,245 for 1971 model year.

zed
09-15-2004, 12:40 AM
i can give you my serial for a 69 but i can tell you when in 69 it was made.

TigerShark
09-15-2004, 12:54 AM
I have a late '69...

October 1969, Serial Number 8305017 362713

I hope this helps.

Jim

Hippo393
09-15-2004, 05:23 AM
Thanks Jim!!! The difference between s/n's is only 389, which I'd think would have rolled off the assembly line in about a month or 2. Not sure tho. But we're close. Anyone else care to post their '69 or '70 s/n??

Mudweiserjeep
09-15-2004, 08:21 AM
We are close to finding the birth month of my jeep. Jim's s/n puts mine in early 1970 maybe. My title says AMC. I don't know what month Kaiser sold jeep to AMC. We are definately close. Thanks hippo393 for driving this.

lynn
09-15-2004, 08:26 AM
Well then in case it helps, Per AMC dealer price list Page 4 issued Jan 4 1971, beginning serial number for Universal CJ5 is 8305015-273,245 for 1971 model year.

Something is wrong with the serial number portion of the info above.
My '71 was built in November 1970, and the serial number portion of my VIN is 369673... so I doubt the accuracy of the above number as being the starting s/n for the '71 model year. :?

Tiger Shark's '69 model as posted above has a s/n of 362713 from October 1969, confirming that something is awry with that info from the AMC dealers price list :? WM, you may want to look into the source of that info, maybe it's a typo/misprint, it doesn't seem to match with known actual serial numbers.

TigerShark
09-15-2004, 09:50 AM
Well then in case it helps, Per AMC dealer price list Page 4 issued Jan 4 1971, beginning serial number for Universal CJ5 is 8305015-273,245 for 1971 model year.

Maybe it should be 373245. That would bring things a little more in line.

Jim

Hippo393
09-15-2004, 01:54 PM
Maybe it should be 373245. That would bring things a little more in line.My 71's s/n is 373590.


My title says AMC. I don't know what month Kaiser sold jeep to AMC.
Ha ha I've learned not to rely on title informaiton. On my tux, it has the model description "C5A", and make as "JPEG". So I'm the proud owner of a picture file format. R)
On the '71 it has the model as "UJ5". :roll: Huh??!??
Anyway, AMC bought Kaiser-Jeep in Feb. '70. :stout:

EDIT: Ok I found the VIN info I was looking for. It was jjfalconer's link:
http://mysite.verizon.net/jandjfalconer/CJ5VIN.htm
No info beyond '67 though. :(

John A. Shows
09-15-2004, 02:08 PM
My '69 is 8305 C17 352694

Hippo393
09-15-2004, 02:13 PM
My '69 is 8305 C17 352694
John that '69 I had last year was right behind yours on the assembly line: 8305 C17 352833. But I don't know the date of manuf. Do you?

toeupp
09-15-2004, 02:52 PM
Hello every one.. Wow iam glad I found this site... My 69 Cj5 VIN is 8305015 258274. I would love to know when it was built

Zoomer
09-15-2004, 06:06 PM
I had a similar question a while back about my '70. Check out that thread as some other members posted their VINs and month of manufacture:

http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=656

FlyingTheDunes
09-15-2004, 06:19 PM
my '69 CJ5 VIN 8305017 355972

I looked in a book at Borders (Jeep History?) which says its a left hand drive CJ5 with V6 w/emission.

According to that book some 20,000-odd CJ5s were made in 1969 and a substancially lesser number of CJ6s (4,000???? Don't quote me).

1969 was the second-highest CJ5 run year for pre-71's. Another year in the 60's sold a few thousand more.

zed
09-15-2004, 10:56 PM
John that '69 I had last year was right behind yours on the assembly line: 8305 C17 352833. But I don't know the date of manuf. Do you?

both of yours are canadian built in windsor.

83 = cj5 4x4
05 = open body
c = canada
1 = left hand drive
7 = v6 with smog control


mine is 8305c17 350759

also a '69 when it gets here i'll look to see if i can find any closer date markings any where on the chassis etc.

gscj5
09-15-2004, 11:22 PM
Hey Hippo I think you have me Greg confused with Mud but thats ok because we both have the same problem but mines a 62. Mine was a rebuild before I bought it and the Serial number was changed...why do they do that? My Serial Number is MVIN 34718 IND. It does not even have the 57548 in front. I do have the engine number though its 4J283231. I was looking for a cross reference with the engine number. so I can get an idea of the serial number. I am putting on a new tub and want to get a serial number as close to the original if the BMV will let me change it.

gscj5
09-15-2004, 11:36 PM
Hippo I remember you said something about the serial number being on the pasenger side of the frame. could you get me a pic of the exact location?

CJMac
09-15-2004, 11:40 PM
both of yours are canadian built in windsor.

83 = cj5 4x4
05 = open body
c = canada
1 = left hand drive
7 = v6 with smog control


mine is 8305c17 350759

If the above is true what is mine:83050 37 371867
That's off of my 71 CJ5 V-6 left hand drive.
Jeff

Hippo393
09-16-2004, 02:06 AM
Hippo I remember you said something about the serial number being on the pasenger side of the frame. could you get me a pic of the exact location?
Sure no prob. I'll snap a pic tomorrow. Dang I thought Vernco had a pic of it already, but I just checked there and no pic. :( Oh, you're right, I did get you and mud confused. :oops: I wonder if your odd VIN means that it's a remanufactured VIN from Indiana. ?? Just a guess. :roll: I wonder what Indiana's procedures are/were for re-doing VINs. In Ohio, re-VINned rigs get a current year on the title. A guy I know has a CJ-7, but because of lost title and stuff the VIN was remade to a 2002 model. Do you have the title? If so, a title history report can be made.

CJ Mac the "3" in that 6th position is very strange. Should be a "1" if it's left hand drive. Where did you retrieve that number from--the title, the VIN tag on the firewall, or the sticker on the dash??

Hippo393
09-16-2004, 02:31 AM
Greg, just found this on Ohio's title forms webstite on the FAQs:

Q3:
My title does not reflect the correct vehicle identification number, how do I correct it?

A3: Contact the closest Highway Patrol Inspection station and ask to come in and have a trooper do a vehicle verification check on the car. Mail a copy of this form and a copy of the front of the title and a brief letter as to what the problem is and your phone number etc. to the Ohio BMV, Title Division. PO Box 16520, Columbus, Ohio, 43216-6520. We will locate the problem and do a correction letter so that you can proceed to your county clerk's office for a corrected title.
So all we need to do is to determine the VIN (probably 57548 ) and then find the serial number on the frame if it's there.


Q18:
What if I need more information?

A18: Please contact the Title Division at 614-752-7671 or write to them at: Ohio BMV, Title Division, P. O. Box 16520, Columbus, Ohio 43216-6520.

Hippo393
09-16-2004, 03:06 AM
Greg I just found out that your Jeep (or title) was transferred out of the country at some point, and a "new" title was made about 4 months before you owned it. Do you have the p.o.'s name on the title?

Just go to http://www.dmv.org/oh-ohio/dmv-vehicle-registration.php, then click "Online Title Inquiry", then click "Search by ID #" and input your VIN (no spaces) to see more details. HTH!! :stout:
-Alan
P.S. A visit to the Brookville title bureau with copy of above info in-hand may help track down who/when/why/where/what happened to the orig title. Or a letter to the HQ in Columbus.

zed
09-16-2004, 11:53 AM
If the above is true what is mine:83 05 0 37 371867
That's off of my 71 CJ5 V-6 left hand drive.
Jeff


83 = cj5 4x4
05 = open body
O = disregard (i assume toledo, usa made as opposed to canada windsor, ontario plant right near toledo)
3 = i have no idea, recheck # should be 1 or 2 according to the site i list below
7 = v6 with smog control
371867 = sequential serial #


i got these from specialty parts site

http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/vins/55yr71cjvin.php

or http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/vins/

Boyink
09-16-2004, 12:12 PM
FWIW, Derek over at the CJ3B site has VIN info gathered directly from original KW docs:

http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/SerialNos/SerialNosSixties.html

I've never double checked it against the SpecialtyParts info, but just prefer knowing where the info comes from....

org1970cj5
09-16-2004, 02:08 PM
My 70 Renegade I was built in Mar 1970 and the VIN is 364613. Has anyone ever seen production numbers for the Renegade I's?
Robert
70 CJ5 RI
77 CJ7
83 CJ7
84 CJ7

Hippo393
09-16-2004, 07:10 PM
Here's the location of the stamp on my '64 tux:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p57f08f4379adef6e89140c8e95346cbc/f6fd4db1.jpg

I had cleaned it off and used a white-out pen all round the numbers, then lightly sanded off the excess so the numbers would be visible. Location is on the passenger side engine compartment, on top of the frame rail above the rear spring mount. I had to take a wire brush and some brake cleaner to the area in order to find it. Good luck! :beer:

jpflat2a
09-16-2004, 08:17 PM
83 = cj5 4x4
05 = open body
O = disregard (i assume toledo, usa made as opposed to canada windsor, ontario plant right near toledo)
3 = i have no idea, recheck # should be 1 or 2 according to the site i list below
7 = v6 with smog control
371867 = sequential serial #


i got these from specialty parts site

http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/vins/55yr71cjvin.php

or http://www.specialtyparts.com/jeep/vins/


the "3" digit = LHD California Fuel Evap Control
also means originally California vehicle sold here
hth

gscj5
09-16-2004, 09:13 PM
Hey Hippo the pic isn't comming up. I did find this http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/SerialNos/SerialNosFrame.html
Thanks to you all I am now going on a search! Thanks also to boyink I found that also, and like you think its more reliable.

CJMac
09-17-2004, 12:01 AM
CJ Mac the "3" in that 6th position is very strange. Should be a "1" if it's left hand drive. Where did you retrieve that number from--the title, the VIN tag on the firewall, or the sticker on the dash??

I got this off of the Vin tag on the left side of the firewall,It is also on my registration slip. I thought it was a bit strange.

Hippo393
09-17-2004, 12:56 AM
Greg try right-clicking on the red X, then select "show picture" a couple times. I don't know how else to get the pic to you. I'm frustrated with this new *&$@ing server. These pics always showed before. :mad:

Boyink
09-17-2004, 07:59 AM
Try attaching the image.

sparky
09-17-2004, 08:47 AM
Greg try right-clicking on the red X, then select "show picture" a couple times. I don't know how else to get the pic to you. I'm frustrated with this new *&$@ing server. These pics always showed before. :mad:

It has nothing to do with the server. The forum software has a safety function to prevent linking to things that are not images. The address you supplied seemed suspicious to it.

Second, just use the attachment option...

sparky
09-17-2004, 09:24 AM
Should show up now, I disabled that feature.

Mudweiserjeep
09-18-2004, 08:47 AM
I am really suprised of all the information on the internet that the production numbers and serial numbers for the years are not out there for the 1967/1968-1975 jeeps. Has anyone ever went to a dealership for this kind of information?

jpflat2a
09-18-2004, 10:55 AM
I have the books that will break down any serial number from my dad's dealer days, 1966-1998
dealers weren't privy to production numbers and in what years; that was corporate info, probably closely held; once the vins changed in '72, year ID and how many made was no problem; 72 and later is easy; 71 and prior is harder; seems to me the feds mandated the VIN number changes

Mcruff
09-18-2004, 01:19 PM
My jeep is a 1971, sn/8305017 374265 manufactured in April.

gte636p
09-18-2004, 02:22 PM
i'm with lynn. mines a 370390 and i've got a build date of jan 1971...
original sticker so it is correct.

::edit:: fixed the year...

66cj5
09-18-2004, 07:55 PM
83 = cj5 4x4
05 = open body
O = disregard (i assume toledo, usa made as opposed to canada windsor, ontario plant right near toledo)
3 = i have no idea, recheck # should be 1 or 2 according to the site i list below
7 = v6 with smog control
371867 = sequential serial #

My 66's number: 8305 A 203491 built in Nov 1965

Zoomer
09-18-2004, 11:37 PM
After looking several reported dates of manufacture from different people here, there appears to be some discrepancies but a definite trend exisits. From what appears to be sequential, here is a summary of some '69 - '71 VIN numbers:

350759 month not reported, year '69
352694 month not reported, year '69
355972 month not reported, year '69
361782 mine - supposedly a '70 model probably manufactered in Sept/Oct of '69
362377 month not reported, year '69
362713 October '69
362377 month not reported, year '69
363463 December '69
364613 March '70
366671 August '70
369673 November '70
370390 January '71
373590 Month not reported, year '71
374265 April '71

Supposedly 13,518 CJ's built in '70 according to one source.

Maybe some other people with 69-71's could help fill this in?

FlyingTheDunes
09-19-2004, 12:52 AM
Is there any info that I can look for on my jeep to find the month it was built in?

Andycj5
09-19-2004, 03:08 AM
Hello! I am new to the site. I have a 1970 cj5 made in Dec. 1969 VIN number-363463

schardein
09-19-2004, 04:41 AM
My 1967 Cj5 is 224088. I think it was made in Nov 1966, according to some documents I saw on the net. Built late 66 sold as a 67? Who knows.

Strangely it still has the single line master cylinder, which should have went out in 66, new 2 line in 67. This reinforces my opinion.

Also, the front and rear diff/ring gears are date stamped Oct 66 which also seems to fit.

As for VIN on the frame, it is also on top of the pass side frame directly above the rear axle tube, but you gotta have the tub off to see it.

Zoomer
09-19-2004, 03:13 PM
Does anyone know if they had model years back in the late '60's, early '70's like they do today? By this I mean, Model Year '70 could have been built between about September '69 and August '70, or did they do it more by the actual calendar year?

Bob
09-19-2004, 03:30 PM
My '66's VIN is 8305A 203065 which I think was built in Nov. '65 although the original ID tag on the carb is dated for Dec. '65. Who knows though if the carb is original to this Jeep or not; I think it is though. Also, this tub still has the second battery lid on the cowl and hood with the snorkel cutout which I thought was supposed to have been eliminated a year or two earlier.

schardein
09-19-2004, 06:50 PM
My 224088 does not have the snorkel cutout or cowl battery box. It has the electric top mounted wipers and single line master cylinder.

66cj5
09-19-2004, 10:48 PM
Also, this tub still has the second battery lid on the cowl and hood with the snorkel cutout which I thought was supposed to have been eliminated a year or two earlier.

Sounds like a repair from when m38a1 sheet metal was cheap.

gte636p
09-19-2004, 11:45 PM
hey good eye zoomer... kinda bad to write the wrong year down and say i know it's right. don't even know how i hit a 0 instead of 1, they're wayy far from eachother.

Mudweiserjeep
09-20-2004, 03:36 PM
After looking several reported dates of manufacture from different people here, there appears to be some discrepancies but a definite trend exisits. From what appears to be sequential, here is a summary of some '69 - '71 VIN numbers:

350759 month not reported, year '69
352694 month not reported, year '69
355972 month not reported, year '69
361782 mine - supposedly a '70 model probably manufactered in Sept/Oct of '69
362377 month not reported, year '69
362713 October '69
362377 month not reported, year '69
363463 December '69
364613 March '70
366671 August '70
369673 November '70
370390 January '71
373590 Month not reported, year '71
374265 April '71

Supposedly 13,518 CJ's built in '70 according to one source.

Maybe some other people with 69-71's could help fill this in?



With my s/n 363102 1970 unknown month I am guessing mine was made in November 1969? My title says AMC but AMC didn't buy Jeep from Kaiser until Feb. 1970. Maybe I have a Kaiser jeep?

sparky
09-20-2004, 03:40 PM
Titles don't count. I had a '60 Jeep Truck that was made by AMC. :roll:

Translated, 1960 Willys 2-226 4WD. How the heck AMC ever got on that title is beyond me.

Boyink
09-20-2004, 04:31 PM
I now own a '64 Willys Convertable... 8) I'd say most of the title nonsense comes from transfers across state lines - there doesn't seem to be consistent naming and categorizing of vehicles. The guy here in MI didn't care, he just wanted the computer to be happy and get me out of there.

Hippo393
09-21-2004, 03:55 AM
Greg:
looks like you're on your way to getting a legit VIN/s.n. on your rig. How does 57548 127334 sound? Well I've alrady done an online inquiry to the VIN to no avail. Might be time for a letter to Columbus.

gscj5
09-21-2004, 11:03 AM
Sounds great to me Allan! I would like a pic of your Vin tag though. I found that one on ebay also, if I have to I will use it. Hey where is that jeep you found... the 62?

Boyink
09-21-2004, 11:15 AM
SSDutch's 1964 VIN:

gscj5
09-21-2004, 11:21 AM
Thanks Dude! 8)

gscj5
09-21-2004, 11:23 AM
Whats an 8405?

gscj5
09-21-2004, 11:24 AM
Oh duh CJ6!

Boyink
09-21-2004, 11:26 AM
8)

sparky
09-21-2004, 11:30 AM
SSDutch's 1964 VIN:

That confirms what remember of my 62's tag. It was stamped like that but said "Willys Motor Company" on it.

Hippo393
09-21-2004, 01:10 PM
Sounds great to me Allan! I would like a pic of your Vin tag though. I found that one on ebay also, if I have to I will use it. Hey where is that jeep you found... the 62?
Greg it's in a nearby town behind a bar. The guy who owns the bar also owns the Jeep so I'm told, so I'd have to sneak in there one day and snap a pic of the tag. Hopefully someone else with a Willys tag will be able to post a pic.

Oh, my '64 tux tag looks like Boyink's, which is diffo than that of the '62. The change must have been in '63 or so. :beer:

sparky
09-21-2004, 01:14 PM
'64 was when it became Kaiser Jeep Corp. I'm guessing that's when the change was...

gscj5
09-21-2004, 01:18 PM
Anybody got a 62 or earlier VIN Plate Pic of a CJ5?

kamel
09-21-2004, 01:53 PM
I saw that the first 1971 cj5 was listed by the part catalog as 8305 015 273245 in an earlier posting.

Then I saw someone type in that the 273245 maybe should be 373245 and that there could have been a typo.

The answer is no typo, the first serial number in 71 could easily have been
8305 015 273245.

You see, the 4 cylinder jeeps had serial numbers that began with a '2' and the 6 cylinder jeeps had serial numbers that began with "3".

note that the serial prefix was 8305 015 which translated
8305 = cj5
015 = non smog f-134

So, the part listing was right as far as it went, but the cj5 serial numbers were kinda non-linear since the first digit also indicated no of cylinders.

Jeep started this in 1968 when they made a lot of changes to the cj5.

I don't know if they did the same thing with the cj6, but probably.

kamel

sparky
09-21-2004, 02:14 PM
Good info, thanks Kamel

gscj5
09-21-2004, 02:18 PM
I just raised your Karma level Kamel though you cant see it. :shock:

Willys Motors
09-21-2004, 05:47 PM
The answer is no typo, the first serial number in 71 could easily have been
8305 015 273245.

You see, the 4 cylinder jeeps had serial numbers that began with a '2' and the 6 cylinder jeeps had serial numbers that began with "3".

kamel

I was headed down that path but couldn't find proof for CJ's, only J series.

The same year beginning documents show starting serials as

1967 185971
1968 228800
1969 244728
1970 259487
1971 273245

Now the question is did they 'skip' a 2xxxxx number if there was a 3xxxxx number? In other words was there both a 273245 AND a 373245?

Zoomer
09-21-2004, 06:54 PM
So is there anyone with a '69 - '71 with a 4 cylinder besides TOEUPP ('69 model with Serial #258274)? If we had some more numbers we could help verify the starting serial numbers by year. I see Kamel has a '71 4 cylinder in the for sale section, do you care to list your serial number for us Kamel?

kamel
09-22-2004, 08:44 AM
I have a 70 and a 71 that had the factory four cylinder engines. I'll check them out when in the shop today, but I know that the serial numbers began with a '2'. I also have a serial tag from one I parted out that had a V6, but was originally a f-134. It began with a '2' too.

I'll also check out the serial numbers to see if jeep would have duplicated serial numbers like 250000 and a 350000, for a F4 and V6, respectively, but I bet they would have.

TigerShark
09-22-2004, 10:36 AM
I dug up the info on my '68 with a V6. I have to find the title to see if it has a build date, but here's the serial number: 8305 017 244192

EDIT: The date on the title says 10/21/68. This might be a title date or manufature date, but it's not stated.

Jim

kamel
09-22-2004, 09:38 PM
1971 cj5 serial number 8305 015 276165
1970 cj5 serial number 8305 015 269158

kamel

targetduster
09-30-2004, 02:16 PM
1970 cj-5 serial number 8305 017 360961

jzeber
09-30-2004, 05:53 PM
1971 CJ5 serial number 8305 037 369057

dauntless_powered
09-30-2004, 08:16 PM
my 70 v6 (or so i think its a 70, im alittle confused after actually reading this entire thread)

8305 017 359335

Brian R
10-24-2004, 07:38 PM
L own a 1967 and the VIN is 8305016 210833,

Brian

kcjeep
10-29-2004, 12:05 AM
I'll add to the confusion...my '69 is 8305 017 360577

dvmbrad
11-26-2004, 12:29 AM
I know this is late for the thread, but I found it through a search trying to confirm the year model of a new project. I have a reported '71 s/n 830517-369069. If the dates of the builds here are right I guess this one was built around Sep - Oct '70.

Mr_Dauntless
12-02-2004, 10:13 AM
1969 CJ5 vin 8305017 355584. I was told the engine was original. I assume the heads have a casting date code as do other GM engines visible when you remove the valve cover. I don't see a casting date code on the block, but it might be on the back behind the flywheel. Can anyone tell me where to look for evidence of the date of build?

sparky
12-02-2004, 10:32 AM
Mr Dauntless,
You have looked here (http://www.earlycj5.com/tech/engines/225/castingNumbers.shtml) for a description of where to look for numbers haven't you?

Mr_Dauntless
12-02-2004, 11:10 AM
Sparky, thanks for the info. I did look at the Buick V6 casting numbers page a while back, but I did not notice (read) that the year and day of the year are stamped into the block. I will check it out and report my findings.

DRW
06-27-2005, 04:15 PM
After looking several reported dates of manufacture from different people here, there appears to be some discrepancies but a definite trend exisits. From what appears to be sequential, here is a summary of some '69 - '71 VIN numbers:

350759 month not reported, year '69
352694 month not reported, year '69
355972 month not reported, year '69
361782 mine - supposedly a '70 model probably manufactered in Sept/Oct of '69
362377 month not reported, year '69
362713 October '69
362377 month not reported, year '69
363463 December '69
364613 March '70
365141 May '70
366671 August '70
369673 November '70
370390 January '71
373590 Month not reported, year '71
374265 April '71

Supposedly 13,518 CJ's built in '70 according to one source.

Maybe some other people with 69-71's could help fill this in?

Added my vin No. May 70 Darrel

Camshafters
06-28-2005, 01:03 AM
367612 Sept '70 (71 Renegade I)

sunnybo
08-06-2005, 08:09 PM
1970 Kaiser vin 8305c17357856......can anyone give me any info?

ilovemyjeep
08-06-2005, 09:05 PM
Here's my serial for my early (Feb.) 71 CJ Hope this helps?

8305017 372780

gscj5
08-07-2005, 11:55 PM
Hey Sparky, I wonder if we could get everyone in the forum to list their CJ5's vehicle year and serial numbers from 1955-1983 and put them on a list. To get an idea of where we all stand as far as right year. I have looked on the lists you posted and although my title says 1962 it looks like it was manufactured in January of 1961 possibly sold as a 1962. My serial number is listed at the bottom of my posts.

Thanks, Greg

sparky
08-08-2005, 09:24 AM
I hate to be a pain but, no, I doubt it. That's wayyyy too much work for me.

There is a way it could be done using a Wiki that would lessen my load.

The first and last time I tried it, it was a complete flop, no user participation.

If someone wanted to collect the VINs and put them together that's fine but you'd have to take responsibility to keep updating the webpage as new ones came in...

hudsonhawk
08-08-2005, 10:02 AM
Not to be a stick in the mud, but with the rampant theft of VINs and selling stolen cars with bogus titles.. Do you think its a good idea to be posting VINs in a public forum?

tazcj
08-08-2005, 10:03 AM
I own a 64 CJ5 with no VIN Plate. I only have a California DMV Number on it. It doesn't have the original motor or tranny. How can I find out what the origin of my jeep is? I know that it's been from California to Alabama to Texas, and now in Arkansas. Any ideas?

Thanks,
taz

sparky
08-08-2005, 10:07 AM
I own a 64 CJ5 with no VIN Plate. I only have a California DMV Number on it. It doesn't have the original motor or tranny. How can I find out what the origin of my jeep is? I know that it's been from California to Alabama to Texas, and now in Arkansas. Any ideas?

Thanks,
taz

Best bet is try to find #'s on the frame.

Try a '69 body, w/ a Commando VIN and a 198 V6. ;)

tgregg
08-08-2005, 10:21 AM
My 69 is 8305017 356279

gscj5
08-08-2005, 10:27 PM
Best bet is try to find #'s on the frame.

Try a '69 body, w/ a Commando VIN and a 198 V6. ;)

Man that would suck...and I thought I had it bad with a '62 frame, 70's tub and a CJ3B title with a bad VIN. Comando just doesn't fit at all,lol. :rotflmao:

Trout_Farmer
08-21-2005, 11:10 PM
1970 Kaiser vin 8305c17357856......can anyone give me any info?
Looks like you were 26 places behind me, eh? :p
Mine is titled as a '70 CJ5 also but it almost looks like she was built in '69.
8305 C17 357830

kamel
08-22-2005, 09:25 AM
Highest serial number I have ever seen was 374468. It was in Nebraska, outstanding shape. Built April '71.

53Flattie
09-21-2005, 02:48 PM
Highest serial number I have ever seen was 374468. It was in Nebraska, outstanding shape. Built April '71.

:p

Lulu is 374,908. April 1971.

Not sure if I would call her "excellent shape" when I got her though... R)

Mcruff
09-21-2005, 03:13 PM
Mine is 374,265 built in April of 1971, built probably about 2 weeks before yours Tim!

targetduster
09-21-2005, 09:11 PM
1970 CJ-5 8305017 360961
I have not researched its exact birth date, hope this helps.

gscj5
09-28-2005, 03:04 PM
Anybody got a pic of a 62 willys vin plate? So I know what Im looking for.

sparky
09-28-2005, 03:11 PM
Anybody got a pic of a 62 willys vin plate? So I know what Im looking for.

It's on the firewall on the driver's side. Looks like any other VIN tag I've seen. Nothing fancy, just a stamped Aluminum tag.

zed
09-29-2005, 12:22 AM
mine is 350,759 canadian 69-5 no side reflectors tho.

have no idea what month. early to mid 69 maybe?

gscj5
09-29-2005, 01:25 PM
Wow this is so cool my thread is now a sticky...woo hoo! Thanks Sparky. I know where the vin plate is and goes, I just want to get an exact reproduction plate for my new tub. Im thinking it said Jeep at the top and Willys at the bottom. I just wanted a pic so I get exactly what its suppose to have, since I finally know what my vin # is suppose to be now. Boyink sent a pic but that was for his kaiser. I am looking for a willys tag for around 1962.

Presley
10-05-2005, 06:26 PM
I found one for mine, a 1955 CJ-5, but I had to go to the CJ-3B pages to get it. Presley

Presley
10-05-2005, 06:27 PM
Forgot:
Presley Yarbrough
1955 CJ-5
Serial Number 57548-11695

1960CJ-5
10-17-2005, 08:38 PM
well i was wondering if anyone new anything else about this vin number to the jeep...the old owner said it was a 1960 cj-5 and well im sure it is but i can never be too sure ....
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/drum_pride/vinnumber.jpg

Schlotka
10-18-2005, 01:55 AM
well i was wondering if anyone new anything else about this vin number to the jeep...the old owner said it was a 1960 cj-5 and well im sure it is but i can never be too sure ....
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/drum_pride/vinnumber.jpg

1959 #'s: 82878 thru 97918, looks like a '59 number, but could have licensed and sold as a '60.:hurrican:

We could use a registry page like this:
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=m38a1+page&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D1 490ba44ede793ba%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery% 3Dm38a1%2Bpage%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%2 52Fwww.m38a1.ca%252Fm38a1.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPTop%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m38a1.ca%2Fm38a1.html

to keep this all straight. I for one would like to know how many of the early cj5's have survived.

Ser.#10935

kamel
10-20-2005, 01:32 PM
Oldest one I've come across is 10120 (Canada)
Newest one I've come across is 374908 (California)

gper
10-22-2005, 02:20 PM
Just too add another from a newbie. (To the site)

Have owned my 70, Dauntless since 1977. 66K real miles. Still pretty stock w/original light yellow paint.

8305017 364465 ID Sticker says Feb 1970

Best
Mike

Mike71JP
10-23-2005, 12:10 PM
After looking several reported dates of manufacture from different people here, there appears to be some discrepancies but a definite trend exisits. From what appears to be sequential, here is a summary of some '69 - '71 VIN numbers:

350759 month not reported, year '69
352694 month not reported, year '69
355972 month not reported, year '69
361782 mine - supposedly a '70 model probably manufactered in Sept/Oct of '69
362377 month not reported, year '69
362713 October '69
362377 month not reported, year '69
363463 December '69
364613 March '70
366671 August '70
369673 November '70
370390 January '71
373590 Month not reported, year '71
374265 April '71

Supposedly 13,518 CJ's built in '70 according to one source.

Maybe some other people with 69-71's could help fill this in?


My Jeep is a 1971 Renegade ll CJ-5, # 8305037 369357 with a build date of Nov. 70

Evans
10-30-2005, 08:29 PM
OK , I can finally add to this..... 8305017 245194 didn't come with a title , but from reading thru the pages it looks to be in the late 68 area... what do ya think ??

sparky
10-31-2005, 09:41 PM
1971 CJ-5 - 8305 017 372479

Got that number memorized now. :D

oddfirejeeper
11-12-2005, 09:11 AM
mine is a '71 cj-5 8305017375181 thinking sometime in may or june as the birth date? hope this helps everyone narrow it down

Doc
11-12-2005, 03:12 PM
Hello, New member here. I agree that the listed info for 1971 starting number is incorrect. My 1971 CJ V-6 serial number is 367901, manufacters date on dash is sept. 1970. Has AMC on title also. I believe AMC took over production around feb or mar of 1970.

Doc

lorne
11-12-2005, 10:35 PM
I've got 2 1969 CJ5's, don't know the months:

8305017 353138 : Smog pump, wide grill/radiator

8305017 248046 : No smog pump, narrow grill/radiator.

lj

kamel
11-13-2005, 05:01 PM
lorne

You might check the serial on the second 69 jeep.

8305 017 248046.

I think that maybe it should be 8305 015 248046

Jeep was using a serial number that began with a "3" for the V-6 jeeps and a serial number that began with a "2" for 4 cylinder jeeps.

They did this in 70 and 71, and I think that they did it in 69 as well.

It would be interesting to verify whether the center three digits were 017 or 015. Was this jeep a four cylinder to begin with?

kamel

prarieoyster
11-15-2005, 10:18 PM
One little thing with vin #'s in 1969. Some Jeep body's from Toledo were shipped to Canada towards the end of Canada's Jeep production. The sequence numbers(last 6 #'s ) remained the same. So some Toledo Jeeps with higher sequence #'s were actually assembled before their Canadian counterparts with lower sequence #'s. If you have a 1969 Toledo Jeep you can guess easier on its month of production. It is really hard to tell with the Canadian Jeeps unless you have origional documentation.

My 1969's # 8305C17352662

Evans
11-16-2005, 05:56 AM
Mine is 8305017 245194 with V-6... trying figure out if it's a late 68' or early 69' ...... don't have a title to check yet.... it's got a 0-9 speedo , the winshield is short and has electric wipers on outside but has all mounting provisions for the vacuum ones too.....

lorne
11-16-2005, 10:07 PM
lorne

You might check the serial on the second 69 jeep.

8305 017 248046.

I think that maybe it should be 8305 015 248046

Jeep was using a serial number that began with a "3" for the V-6 jeeps and a serial number that began with a "2" for 4 cylinder jeeps.

They did this in 70 and 71, and I think that they did it in 69 as well.

It would be interesting to verify whether the center three digits were 017 or 015. Was this jeep a four cylinder to begin with?

kamel

Hi Kamel,

I triple checked the number... 8305 017 248046 is what is on the plate... Most likely the PO removed the smog pump (it does not have an oil bath or even somewhat factory air cleaner).

It's also possible that someone put a V6 Dauntless into this Jeep, but I thought I saw others posting numbers starting with a 2 that were V6's.

lj

AirForceKnight
11-20-2005, 12:03 AM
I'm new here but maybe this will help someone,

my vin # is 8305017 364411 with a manufacture date of Feb 1970,
its a Kaiser jeep made in Toledo.

I also have a green sticker above the Kaiser one that reads "May 16, 1970" anyone know what that's about?

winch
12-09-2005, 05:00 PM
hi,i have a 1970 cj-5 v-6,canadian model,serial#8305 c17 357985,and i can't find any info out either.i don't have side marker lites but have danA 44'S fr&rear,any body know where to get any info?

prarieoyster
12-16-2005, 08:58 PM
hi,i have a 1970 cj-5 v-6,canadian model,serial#8305 c17 357985,and i can't find any info out either.i don't have side marker lites but have danA 44'S fr&rear,any body know where to get any info?

1969 was the last production year for the canadian cj's. Your's might be titled as a 1970, but is really a 1969. dana 44 front was probably a swap.
the following link has some info

http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Canada/CanadaKaiser.html

maybe you have one of those last 12?

russo
12-17-2005, 04:04 PM
Gotta 69 8305017 354798. Don't know the month of production, but I think early since it does not have side marker lights.

russo
12-17-2005, 04:11 PM
This may help a little Kaiser completed sale to AMC in Feb 1970.

tinker
12-28-2005, 08:32 PM
my 69 says 359627 assembled in windsor has reflectors on hood and was 100% stock when i pulled it out of the field it had for a home since the early 80's hope this helps.

Facquet66cj5
01-17-2006, 10:09 AM
I have a serial number 8305015261527 with a v6. What year was this?


Mine is 8305017 245194 with V-6... trying figure out if it's a late 68' or early 69' ...... don't have a title to check yet.... it's got a 0-9 speedo , the winshield is short and has electric wipers on outside but has all mounting provisions for the vacuum ones too.....

kamel
01-18-2006, 05:46 PM
Your jeep (8305 015 261527) is a 1971 cj5 with the four cylinder engine swapped out for a V-6

Facquet66cj5
01-19-2006, 01:42 AM
My title has it as a 66. I noticed the plates may not be original due to the tears where each screw went. Would the frame , engine and tranny numbers be a better indication?

sparky
01-19-2006, 08:06 AM
My title has it as a 66. I noticed the plates may not be original due to the tears where each screw went. Would the frame , engine and tranny numbers be a better indication?

Frame numbers, if in doubt of the PIN.

Badcop
01-19-2006, 10:02 AM
Allright Sparky - you have a better handle than I do with my hours of trying to figure it out:

5754849822

sparky
01-19-2006, 10:27 AM
Allright Sparky - you have a better handle than I do with my hours of trying to figure it out:

5754849822

'57 CJ-5 sound right?

$ sink
01-19-2006, 11:01 AM
I have a serial number 8305015261527 with a v6. What year was this?

any pics of your jeep?
gas tank under drivers seat or in rear?

reason I ask is my data is showing it as a 70 with 4cyl

Badcop
01-19-2006, 11:51 AM
'57 CJ-5 sound right?


See thats why i asked, Its titled as a 63....

Badcop
01-19-2006, 12:05 PM
Heres another for you, only a tub and vin plate, no title.

8305017 359821

Ppilotmike
01-19-2006, 12:08 PM
8305017 361233, Sept 69, V6 CJ5 paint 435 burnished bronze

kamel
01-19-2006, 05:20 PM
I'd call the 821 jeep a 1970, or a late 69 model.

I'd call the 233 jeep a 1970 model.


Easiest way to tell the diff between a 69 or 70 is the flanged rear axle appeared in the 1970 model year whilst the tapered axle was in 69. There are some 1970 jeeps with the tapered axle, but from what I have been able to learn those were most likely 69 carryovers that were titled as 1970.

I'd love to find a late, late 69 or early, early 70 with either a flanged axle or tapered axle, respectively.

Ppilotmike
01-19-2006, 06:45 PM
Mine was originally titled in Oregon as a 1970 model I have the original paperwork for its sale. It has a tapered 44 in the rear. It sold new in Jan of 70'. Mike

kamel
01-19-2006, 09:15 PM
Does your 1970 jeep with the tapered axles have a date manufactured on the yellow tag on the dash?

Facquet66cj5
01-19-2006, 09:21 PM
any pics of your jeep?
gas tank under drivers seat or in rear?

reason I ask is my data is showing it as a 70 with 4cyl



It has an underseat tank. My tub was completely rusted out, so I have new tub and fenders. I found an nos 1966 export windshield which fit perfect on with the windshield hinges from a junked 66. Does that give any indication?

Where on the frame are the serial numbers?

69utjeeper
01-25-2006, 10:20 AM
Here is another late 69 Vin 8305017 362380, Mfg Oct. 1969.

$ sink
01-25-2006, 10:49 AM
It has an underseat tank. My tub was completely rusted out, so I have new tub and fenders. I found an nos 1966 export windshield which fit perfect on with the windshield hinges from a junked 66. Does that give any indication?

Where on the frame are the serial numbers?

Gas tank under seat points toward 1970. windshield hinges didn't change much over the years until mid 70s so it won't tell you much. there are supposed to be serial numbers on the front and rear of the frame rails. under the battery location is the most common I have read. do a search for VIN number here and many of the threads are dedicated to finding the frame serial numbers.

$ sink
01-25-2006, 10:50 AM
Here is another late 69 Vin 8305017 362380, Mfg Oct. 1969.

You have Renegade in your info, is it a ren-1?

69utjeeper
01-25-2006, 10:57 AM
yea it is, had the upgraded springs, boxed in front part of frame, dash pad, etc, I am the 2nd owner, and know the guy that bought this off the showroom floor, was origionally Red, President red from what I have read.... what in the number gives the Renigade away?

$ sink
01-25-2006, 11:05 AM
yea it is, had the upgraded springs, boxed in front part of frame, dash pad, etc, I am the 2nd owner, and know the guy that bought this off the showroom floor, was origionally Red, President red from what I have read.... what in the number gives the Renigade away?

I am not aware of any clue in the numbers that it is a Renegade, I got it off of your signature. I just wanted to include the renegade part on my list.

I started a list of serial numbers a while back so I could narrow down a build date for the $ sink, what I found is there are alot of jeeps with build dates before October 1969, that are titled or at least known by their owners as 1970s.

I do not have any complete VINs on the list only the sequential serials.

69utjeeper
01-25-2006, 11:15 AM
Ahhh I got ya, yea the Original owner told me it was a Renigade, hope that helps out some..... it was purchased in Colorado, umm and yea my registration says 1970 year on it as well, but all my tags are still there and say Oct 69. :v6:

Ppilotmike
01-31-2006, 03:18 PM
Here is a pic of my dash sticker, registered as a 70' and has a tapered axle rear end.

tinker
02-04-2006, 03:44 PM
My 69has #359627 and when i took the engine apart recently the code on the block was drh 083 meaning 83rd day of 1969. I also have tapered axles.

kingjohn_23
02-05-2006, 11:10 AM
help, i bought a cj5 i think am geral corp
on the plate---1971 dj-5b 8511
p.o.d. ord no 70-2-00098
warranty exp date nov 5 1973
sn 8511-01574
south bend indiana
model l-232 cid
right hand drive
auto
what do i have...lol

sparky
02-05-2006, 11:12 AM
You answered your own question.

1971 DJ-5. :)

2WD (Postal?) Jeep.

kingjohn_23
02-05-2006, 11:17 AM
i only have 10 vin # so i didnt know what i had.. where can i go go to get more info about it...thanks

kingjohn_23
02-05-2006, 11:18 AM
dont know if its a postal or not right hand drive?

Facquet66cj5
02-07-2006, 11:54 AM
Gas tank under seat points toward 1970. windshield hinges didn't change much over the years until mid 70s so it won't tell you much. there are supposed to be serial numbers on the front and rear of the frame rails. under the battery location is the most common I have read. do a search for VIN number here and many of the threads are dedicated to finding the frame serial numbers.


I looked up the numbers on the engine 991503 and 1378704 (2 bbl) and verified them on the Tech page. I could not find the frame numbers after scraping them down. The rear axel is a tapered 44.

grannyscj
02-14-2006, 12:20 PM
I thought I'd throw mine in here.VIN 8305017 364511 built in March 1970 and has a flanged D44 LSD. Its all original too.:v6:

calvin
02-14-2006, 10:59 PM
Gotta make sure I'm not having a blonde moment. According to the S/N list mine would have been b/w Oct. Nov. 1964? The number on the title is 8305180919 verified on the plate on the firewall under the hood.

71 Muk WA
02-15-2006, 01:09 AM
Might as well throw my SN up here. A 1971 Renegade II, 8305 017 373400 - Toledo, Ohio. Original color Baja Yellow.

viper
02-18-2006, 11:22 PM
Just a note on the serial # of the '67 cj6A, plate on the firewall reads: 8422/10349 - anyone have any info on what this signifies? Thankyou

sparky
02-19-2006, 09:04 AM
Just a note on the serial # of the '67 cj6A, plate on the firewall reads: 8422/10349 - anyone have any info on what this signifies? Thankyou

84= CJ-6
22= Tux Park

10349 = SN

viper
02-19-2006, 11:57 AM
Thankyou, what does the number 10349 sinify? Does it explain the number a vehicles produced in 1967?

kamel
02-19-2006, 01:10 PM
No, it is the number made since 1964, beginning with 10001.

jpflat2a
02-20-2006, 04:43 PM
just throwing this out there for the info
I have an old Jeep invoice on my desk.
This new Jeep is a 1969 CJ5 V6.
the VIN is 8305017-351794
the date of the Jeep invoice is 10-1-1968

sparky
02-20-2006, 04:46 PM
Thankyou, what does the number 10349 sinify? Does it explain the number a vehicles produced in 1967?

Guess I shoulda been more clear, SN = Serial Number

Antique Jeep
02-21-2006, 06:16 PM
I've read through all 17 pages having to do with the CJ5 serials...mine is a little different although I think I have it narrowed to a November/December 1965..........the serial plate on the driver firewall says 8305 203285

There is a second plate on the passenger side that says "special sales order
D-3834". This jeep was unaltered when I purchased it from behind a barn with a dead engine...which I had completely rebuilt along with the transmission, clutch, brakes and etc. The original paint was bright yellow and I have been told that the State of Florida purchased a number of these to use in mowing rights of ways along the highways in the mid 60's....does anyone have any more info on the special sales order jeeps?? email me at jenglish@greyforestutilities.com:flag:

kamel
02-22-2006, 09:33 AM
I have had two 'Florida' jeeps, both of which were 1970 models. I have seen a 1969 'Florida' jeep, but didn't own it.

I still have one of the 1970 'Florida' jeeps, the other went to a fellow in Ontario, Canada.

The Special Order tag that you found would indicate that the jeep was government owned at one time.

The 'Florida' jeeps were sort of a Caterpillar yellow to begin with, had PTO's, were four speeds, and were equipped with a half hard top.

Two things that I noticed about the windshield frames were that the clamps that hold the windshield up were not clamps, but small iron plates, and that the windshield frame did not have a channel for a soft top welded on.

The draw bars on the rear of the jeep were reinforced and modified a little.

It would be interesting to see some pictures to see how your jeep squares with the 'Florida' jeeps.

It is a little older than the '70 or '69 jeeps, but I have been told that Florida used the jeep for mowing beginning in the early sixties.

kamel

WYOMIKE
02-22-2006, 12:09 PM
Ok folks, here is what I did. I did a whole search of the site and came up with all of the vin's, serial numbers, and built dates that I could find. I put these all in a spread sheet and then sorted them by the last numbers. The results were interesting and answered some questions, but then brought up more questions. It looks like around 1969-70 there must have been a lot of body, frame, etc. swamping. If I goofed up somebodys data, sorry just let me know and I will correct it. Also if anybody that has data that is not on there please let me know. Also if somebody has a different idea about sorting them or how to handle the "2" and "3" problem, let me know.
Thanks:patriot:
http://www.hdts.vcn.com/JEEP/VIN%20LIST.PDF

sparky
02-22-2006, 12:16 PM
Put the first number in a seperate column then sort by the second column only? Then remerge the data and hide the columns?

Zoomer
02-22-2006, 12:33 PM
Mike,

Looks like several of us are doing the same thing. I've got a spreadsheet going and so does $ sink. I'll check my list against yours and let you know if I have anything to add. I was thinking about editing my post, since it has become the first in the sticky, to included a list like you generated and also directions as to where to find the VIN numbers and how to decode them. I was also thinking it might be helpful to include additional info as to when flanged axles, hood reflectors, and side markers entered the production stream. I also thought I'd include the vin list for the earlier years also.

sparky
02-22-2006, 12:41 PM
Mike,

Looks like several of us are doing the same thing. I've got a spreadsheet going and so does $ sink. I'll check my list against yours and let you know if I have anything to add. I was thinking about editing my post, since it has become the first in the sticky, to included a list like you generated and also directions as to where to find the VIN numbers and how to decode them. I was also thinking it might be helpful to include additional info as to when flanged axles, hood reflectors, and side markers entered the production stream. I also thought I'd include the vin list for the earlier years also.
We have a page that lists when certain features appeared/dissapeared. Why not just link to it?

http://earlycj5.com/tech/general/spottersGuide.shtml

I see a few changes I need to make to it but for the most part the stuff is there.

WYOMIKE
02-22-2006, 12:56 PM
Sparky
On sorting, thats kind of what I did. I changed all the "2"s to 3 and then sorted, and then Indicated which ones were 2. I should go back and just change the "2"s back to 2.
Mark
I thought that I had read where somebody was doing this, but could not find where it had been done, so thought I would try it :iagree: with some of your ideas, and Like Sparky says, you could just have a link to a lot of the data. If you want to take my data and add it to yours and make up a new sheet, that would be fine with me. I am a easy type guy8) I think what we need to do is to get more people to get us vin's and built dates :) :) :)

$ sink
02-22-2006, 01:08 PM
Wyomike, what I did on my spreadsheet (which is trapped out of my reach for the time being:roll:) is set up seperate pages for 2 and 3 series, willys numbers and a misc page for the tux's-cj6's-cj2's-cj3bs etc.

Zoomer
02-22-2006, 01:26 PM
I agree with both of you. In looking at the spotters guide, it could use some updates as things like snorkle cutouts went away during the "early" model run. I've heard of both tapered and flanged axles in '70 model year. Fuel tank moved to the back some time around the '71 model year switch. The hood mounted reflectors appeared sometime around the '69 model year intro, rear markers were added I think around Dec. 1969 build, and front fender markers appear sometime around the '71 model year intro? I guess I was just thinking we could narrow down a little when the changes occured while we're taking the time to collect VINS. If people choose to contribute their VIN, it might be nice if they include info about things like flanged vs tapered rear, marker/reflector config, snorkle cutout, tranny, seat mounts, windshield/wiper config etc.

The more people who contribute data, especially those who know their build date, the more accurate we can determine month of manufacture and also original build configuration. It would be great if this could be put on the earlycj5 site like the spotters guide. I suspect having more than one person working on this might be helpful. If you and I and $ sink (and any other volunteers) are interested in working on this, maybe Sparky could set up a temporary wiki to use as a central place to keep this info until it's assembled into a more finalized web page.

sparky
02-22-2006, 02:01 PM
I agree with both of you. In looking at the spotters guide, it could use some updates as things like snorkle cutouts went away during the "early" model run. I've heard of both tapered and flanged axles in '70 model year. Fuel tank moved to the back some time around the '71 model year switch. The hood mounted reflectors appeared sometime around the '69 model year intro, rear markers were added I think around Dec. 1969 build, and front fender markers appear sometime around the '71 model year intro? I guess I was just thinking we could narrow down a little when the changes occured while we're taking the time to collect VINS. If people choose to contribute their VIN, it might be nice if they include info about things like flanged vs tapered rear, marker/reflector config, snorkle cutout, tranny, seat mounts, windshield/wiper config etc.

The more people who contribute data, especially those who know their build date, the more accurate we can determine month of manufacture and also original build configuration. It would be great if this could be put on the earlycj5 site like the spotters guide. I suspect having more than one person working on this might be helpful. If you and I and $ sink (and any other volunteers) are interested in working on this, maybe Sparky could set up a temporary wiki to use as a central place to keep this info until it's assembled into a more finalized web page.

Like I said, I see some changes to be made. ;)


A wiki? I dunno. I could set one up again I guess.

$ sink
02-22-2006, 02:05 PM
To make it a bit safer and encourage more participation, we do not need your entire VIN, just the serial. if you include details about your jeep (color, options, ren-1 etc) they will be recorded as well. it is especially important for those of you who have an accurate build date to let us know. if you do not want to post, you can email the info to one of us.

as I mentioned above, this started out as focused on the 69-71 v6 models, but getting the info for all years will provide a better picture.

WYOMIKE
02-22-2006, 06:13 PM
Mark and $sink
It all sounds good to me. You kind of lost me when you started talking about "setting up a wiki" My first thought was what did burying a pig and tropical drinks have to do with jeeps:? Just kidding as I am not up on a lot of this internet stuff. I have a some space on my internet server to store things if we need it. Just let me know what you want me to do.
Also you might let me know if you know of any higher VIN's then the last one on my list. Of course you know who that one belongs to.;)

hardknox00001
02-23-2006, 09:42 AM
What does 57548 131208 = ??

$ sink
02-23-2006, 09:52 AM
I take it that is off of your current jeep?

kamel
02-23-2006, 10:07 AM
57548 131208 is a '62 cj5

Badcop
02-23-2006, 10:16 AM
57548-102283 No idea.....

57548-49822 1957 Tuxedo, blue

8305017-361233, Sept 69, V6 CJ5 paint 435 burnished bronze

$ sink
02-23-2006, 10:22 AM
57548-102283 No idea.....


what did this come off of?

sparky
02-23-2006, 12:16 PM
57548-102283 No idea.....

57548-49822 1957 Tuxedo, blue

8305017-361233, Sept 69, V6 CJ5 paint 435 burnished bronze

Tuxedo what? There were to Tux Park Mark IIIs until 1962 or was it '63. I can't remember.

kamel
02-23-2006, 12:40 PM
tuxedo park

mark III 1962 -1963
mark IV 1964 - 1967

1957 tuxedo does not compute.

Badcop
02-23-2006, 10:37 PM
tuxedo park

mark III 1962 -1963
mark IV 1964 - 1967

1957 tuxedo does not compute.


not sure its on the title as such, but im not going for 100% on any of them. That one inpeticular is title as a 63'.

57548-102283 this one is just a vin that Duke54 hooked me up with, he might chime in with some more info. It should be a standard 55-59'.

tommy b
03-11-2006, 09:40 AM
I'v got an extra tub that, when I looked closely, had a VIN plate on the firewall in the upper left corner. (beneath the undercoating someone put on the outside of the firewall.) I believe when I bought it in the 1980's, the seller told me it was a 1963. I could be wrong about that. From reading the above posts in this thread, it looks like it might be earlier than that. This is the first chance I came across to verify it. Since I bought only body parts, I didn't get a title. The VIN is 57548 33858. Thanks.

tommy b
03-12-2006, 01:30 PM
I posted this the other day in the sticky section but got no response. Perhaps that was the wrong place to post it. So here it is:

I've got an extra tub that, when I looked closely, had a VIN plate on the firewall in the upper left corner. (beneath the undercoating someone put on the outside of the firewall.) I believe when I bought it in the 1980's, the seller told me it was a 1963. I could be wrong about that. From reading the above posts , it looks like it might be earlier than that. This is the first chance I came across to verify it. Since I bought only body parts, I didn't get a title. The VIN is 57548 33858. Can anyone identify this tub? Thanks.

tommy b

sparky
03-12-2006, 01:44 PM
Seems earlier than a '60 even if I'm reading this correctly:http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/SerialNumbers/SerialNosMonthly6063.gif

zed
03-12-2006, 03:29 PM
Ok folks, here is what I did. I did a whole search of the site and came up with all of the vin's, serial numbers, and built dates that I could find.
http://www.hdts.vcn.com/JEEP/VIN%20LIST.PDF


wyomike, the 69 cj5 last four digits 0759 is indeed a canadian built. i own it. says it on the plate and the first half of the model number indicates it.

so we have any idea of the months on any of the 69's. aka "the lost model year" if you look in the parts manuals...

it appears as if mine may be very early 69 since the fenders do not have the indents for reflectors and the parking lights are the small dia.

reasonably sure the fenders and grill are original.

BTW ... thanks for doing that list. it's great.

tommy b
03-12-2006, 08:10 PM
Seems earlier than a '60 even if I'm reading this correctly:http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/SerialNumbers/SerialNosMonthly6063.gif

It sure looks like it. What's the significance of the 5754? As opposed to 8305 for CJ5. The first 8 might be a "B", which I think means a 4 cylinder engine. Or am I all wet? :?

tommy b

sparky
03-12-2006, 08:14 PM
It sure looks like it. What's the significance of the 5754? As opposed to 8305 for CJ5. The first 8 might be a "B", which I think means a 4 cylinder engine. Or am I all wet? :?

tommy b
57548 is a typical CJ-5 prefix, pretty much equivalent to 8305, just came before '64.

gscj5
03-12-2006, 08:16 PM
Serial Number: 57548 127334

tommy b
03-12-2006, 08:22 PM
Serial Number: 57548 127334

So mine's a CJ5 earlier than 62. Interesting.

tommy b

kamel
03-13-2006, 12:16 AM
I would place 57548 33858 as solidly a 1956 cj5

Herobi
03-14-2006, 06:09 PM
I have a Kaiser cj5 1970 vin 8305-014-272425. F-head, 3 speed, T90, dana 27 & 44. Made in Ohio for swiss army, petrol tank at rear and tank hole at rear passenger side, no snorkel cut out, top vacuum wipers, rifle holder, shovel and axe.
Just got it can anyone tell me more?

Ab
03-26-2006, 09:14 AM
I have a Kaiser cj5 1970 vin 8305-014-272425. F-head, 3 speed, T90, dana 27 & 44. Made in Ohio for swiss army, petrol tank at rear and tank hole at rear passenger side, no snorkel cut out, top vacuum wipers, rifle holder, shovel and axe.
Just got it can anyone tell me more?

Looks like mine, VIN: 8305014-249450 Only this one is according to the plates on the dash from 1968 but the title says March 11th 1969

Slightly different do, the petroltank is underneath the drivers seat.

http://members.lycos.nl/abharrisson/CJ5.jpg

http://members.lycos.nl/abharrisson/typeplaat.jpg

Knew it was from Swiss origin, but never thought off the Swiss army.....
This explanes a lot to me. I was looking for it original collors (http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26613) but could not find it.
Maybe the original olive drab turned grey over the years.....

Herobi
03-26-2006, 01:16 PM
Looks almost the same, never quite understood why my petrol tank is at the back, all early cj5's seem to be under the driver, maybe someone changed it?? Dont see a battery compartment on yours, but everything else looks similar. Mine was also the same colour as yours but the previous owner painted it. Is yours 24 volt? If its out the army i think it should be, thus 2 batteries. Did you put modern seats in? I am going to and wondered how much you have to change the mounting brackets. Also trying to put in a new steering wheel but having a nightmare finding an adapter (naaf) that doesnt make my steering wheel come too close to me, if anyone has any suggestions would be a great help.

sparky
03-26-2006, 01:25 PM
Looks almost the same, never quite understood why my petrol tank is at the back, all early cj5's seem to be under the driver, maybe someone changed it?? Dont see a battery compartment on yours, but everything else looks similar. Mine was also the same colour as yours but the previous owner painted it. Is yours 24 volt? If its out the army i think it should be, thus 2 batteries. Did you put modern seats in? I am going to and wondered how much you have to change the mounting brackets. Also trying to put in a new steering wheel but having a nightmare finding an adapter (naaf) that doesnt make my steering wheel come too close to me, if anyone has any suggestions would be a great help.

They're not all under the driver's seat. They were moved to the rear of the Jeep for the last two years of production roughly to comply with Federal US safety standards so your Jeep would fit in that description.

Ab
03-27-2006, 02:59 PM
I have a Kaiser cj5 1970 vin 8305-014-272425. F-head, 3 speed, T90, dana 27 & 44. Made in Ohio for swiss army, petrol tank at rear and tank hole at rear passenger side, no snorkel cut out, top vacuum wipers, rifle holder, shovel and axe.
Just got it can anyone tell me more?

Yours is probably older than 1970. Kaiser stopped with the top vacuumwippers at the end of 1968. Also the plates on the dash looks almost the same (see my pics) and there sure not as old as the Jeep! Maybe there added later by the Swiss. Notice that they are in German and France
The Swiss bought CJ5 model cause they were cheaper than the M38's, but your model has got the typical 24v battery compartiment (also found on the M38A1 and the Dutch build NEKAF)
There is also a possibility it's an M606. This is a militairized version of the CJ5, build from 1965 till 1972 for U.S.Armed Forces an export. The M606A1 is the 12v version and the M606A2 is the 24v version.

sparky
03-27-2006, 04:15 PM
With the numbers posted it'd be a '69 at least from what I can tell so far.

mudman
04-12-2006, 12:28 AM
wow, lots of info in here, I just bought a cj, never knew it would be so hard to figure the codes. vin - 8305017 247252. 1968 or 69? i'm guessing from posts?? there's no motor but has a t14 tranny single lever transfer, 27 front and 44 rear. only thing i can't understand from looking at other pics is mine has a split front window that also opens forwards??? Is this stock or something someone has put on from an earlier year?

71Renegade
04-12-2006, 08:37 PM
'71 CJ5 w/V6
372843 - Feb. 1971

Ab
04-24-2006, 03:15 PM
wow, lots of info in here, I just bought a cj, never knew it would be so hard to figure the codes. vin - 8305017 247252. 1968 or 69? i'm guessing from posts?? there's no motor but has a t14 tranny single lever transfer, 27 front and 44 rear. only thing i can't understand from looking at other pics is mine has a split front window that also opens forwards??? Is this stock or something someone has put on from an earlier year?

Mudman, take a look at this topic for your windscreen.....
http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27207&highlight=gijive

Zoomer
04-26-2006, 12:40 AM
WYOMIKE, $ sink and I have started working on a VIN project since there are a lot of questions relating to VIN numbers, month/year of manufacture, paint and trim, etc. I've created a PDF document (that is a work in progress at this point) that is a guide to where VINs / serial numbers, engine codes, and paint and trim codes are located and what they mean. I will be updating it as time permits.

The document is located HERE (http://www.mninter.net/~molsen/jeep/VIN/Vehicle_Indentification.pdf), you'll need adobe acrobat reader to view it.

The starting VIN for each month of Jan 1960 through June 1967 is documented well, but the prior and later years appear to have little documentation relating to what serial numbers come from what month or even year. We are attempting to help narrow down the month / year boundaries with your help. We thought while we were at it, this may also be an opportunity to help narrow down when certain production changes occurred (like shackle reversal, snorkel cutout, etc).

We're asking for your help. If you would like to participate in this project, please pm or email the following info to either myself (I prefer email, I'm not good about keeping my pm box cleared), WYOMIKE, or $ sink. You can post it here, but if you want to keep your VIN from being associated to you on the WWW I would suggest pm or email.

We are looking for any of the following information should you choose to contribute:

1. VIN #?
2. Month/Year of manufacture from dash tag?
3. Model year registered as?
4. Factory Front Shackle Reversal (Yes/No) (Early CJ5's came with the front axle shackles to the rear)?
5. Model 25 or Model 27 front axle?
6. Snorkel Cutout on hood (Yes / No)?
7. Windshield Frame Configuration (top mounted wipers, bottom mounted wipers with top of glass flat, bottom mounted wipers with top of glass arched)?
8. Large or small front turn signals?
9. Tapered or flanged rear axle?
10. Underseat or rear mounted fuel tank?
11. Hood mounted reflectors, front fender mounted markers, no markers / hood reflectors?
12. Windshield washers?
13. Single / Dual stick transfer case?
14. Paint and Trim codes?
15. Battery box cover on cowl?
16. Bow sockets on rear body corners?
17. 12V / 6V?
18. Foot starter button / key start?
19. Wiper (1 or 2) manual or electric?
20. Hood safety latch / prop rod?


If there are other production changes we should try to track, please let us know.

If you come across other info that may be useful to this project, please submit it.

If you find any errors in the above document, again, please let me know and I will correct it.

Hippo393
04-26-2006, 01:43 AM
Ummm, I guess my Tux' is "the other white meat"?


22 Tuxedo Pork Mark IV (Universal)

R) R) Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

BTW I recognize some of those pics! ;)

Hippo393
04-26-2006, 01:51 AM
Another fun one:


The Engine Code consists of three groups of digits with either alphabetic or numeric characters arid may be interpreted as
follows:

arid? :?

Sorry for being a PIA...used to work as a proofreader. :oops: Nice compilation you guys are working on! :beer:

Edit: Regarding this:

We are looking for any of the following information should you choose to contribute:

1. VIN #?
2. Month/Year of manufacture from dash tag?
3. Model year registered as?
4. Factory Front Shackle Reversal (Yes/No) (Early CJ5's came with the front axle shackles to the rear)?
5. Model 25 or Model 27 front axle?
6. Snorkel Cutout on hood (Yes / No)?
7. Windshield Frame Configuration (top mounted wipers, bottom mounted wipers with top of glass flat, bottom mounted wipers with top of glass arched)?
8. Large or small front turn signals?
9. Tapered or flanged rear axle?
10. Underseat or rear mounted fuel tank?
11. Hood mounted reflectors, front fender mounted markers, no markers / hood reflectors?

What about details that we can't verify as original?
I could provide answers to most of 1 thru 11, but many details have changed before I became owner which renders any opinions on originality speculative at best (e.g. axle, fender, grill, windshield swap). Make sense? :oops: In an effort to not confound your data, please advise. Thanks!

sparky
04-26-2006, 07:57 AM
LOL! Don't worry Mark, Alan does it to me all the time too with the proofreading.



What about details that we can't verify as original?
I could provide answers to most of 1 thru 11, but many details have changed before I became owner which renders any opinions on originality speculative at best (e.g. axle, fender, grill, windshield swap). Make sense? :oops: In an effort to not confound your data, please advise. Thanks!



I was thinking about this too Alan. Seems like perhaps the focus should be on Jeeps that are known to be or suspected to be original. Oddballs like my '71 with a 2 piece 44 rear should be discounted IMO.

$ sink
04-26-2006, 08:03 AM
I would say that if you KNOW that the part is not original to your jeep then it should not be included, but if it is a posibility that it is original, please include it. eventually, the anomilies (sp) will show.

grannyscj
04-26-2006, 08:16 AM
I guess I'll start it off. Mine is verified by me as factory original (saw it come in on the truck).
1. 8305017 364511
2. March 1970
3. 1970
4. No shackle reversal
5. Model 27 front axle
6. No snorkel c/o
7. Bottom mounted wipers w/ top of glass arched
8. Large front turn signals
9. Flanged D44 rear axle w/ trac-loc limited slip
10. Underseat fuel tank
11. Front fender mounted markers
There you go. Sounds like a good project. You all are troopers.:v6:

$ sink
04-26-2006, 09:08 AM
Your contribution to the resistance is greatly appreciated:flag:

lynn
04-26-2006, 09:18 AM
Alan, I think you found a name for your rig... Tuxedo Pork R)

As for my rig, and what was originally on it (much has been changed)
1. 8305017 369673
2. November 1970
3. 1971
4. No shackle reversal
5. Model 27 front axle
6. No snorkel c/o
7. Bottom mounted wipers w/ top of glass arched
8. Large front turn signals
9. Flanged D44 rear axle (open), 3.73s
10. Rear mounted fuel tank
11. Front fender mounted markers
12. Windshield washers

grannyscj
04-26-2006, 09:23 AM
Hey Lynn, did yours have the draw bar or did they put the gas tank there?:v6:

Zoomer
04-26-2006, 11:15 AM
Thanks for the edits Alan, we're looking for for all the help we can get, including proofreading!

As far as non-original parts being unknowingly substituted by previous owners, I agree with Randy in that when we have a large enough sample, we'll be able to weed out the anomolies. By all means if you know something is not original, either omit it or note it on your submission.

lynn
04-26-2006, 11:40 AM
Hey Lynn, did yours have the draw bar or did they put the gas tank there?:v6:

Mine had a drawbar, but not the "K" member frame braces due to the rear fuel tank. I can't recall exactly how it was connected.

tdean48
04-26-2006, 02:25 PM
1970 CJ5 Kaiser Jeep V6
8305017 359111
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/GTDean48/Jeep/CJ08.jpg

Txjake
04-26-2006, 10:11 PM
1. VIN 830 5017 363711
2. Month/Year of manufacture from dash tag JAN 1970
3. Model year registered as 70
4. Factory Front Shackle Reversal No
5. Model 27 front axle (3.73 open)
6. Snorkel Cutout on hood No
7. Windshield Frame Configuration bottom mounted wipers with top of glass flat
8. Large front turn signals
9. flanged rear axle (3.73 Trac loc)
10. Underseat
11. front fender mounted markers
12. manual washers
13. Single stick Tcase

Project71-5
04-26-2006, 11:34 PM
1. 8305017 374226
2. Apr. 1971
3. 1971
4. Front mounted shackles
5. Model 27a front axle (3.73 open)
6. No snorkel cutout
7. Bottom mounted wipers with top of glass arched
8. Large front turn signals
9. Flanged D44 rear axle (3.73 Trac Loc)
10. Rear mounted fuel tank
11. Front fender mounted markers
12. Manual windshield squirters
13. Rear drawbar w/o K member
14. Warn OD (from the factory or dealer to my knowledge)
15. Single stick t-case

Hope this helps :)

grannyscj
04-27-2006, 01:51 AM
Hey Joe, Got any pics of your gas tank/drawbar area? Seriously thinking about a rear gas tank but dont want to give up my drawbar.:v6:

kamel
04-27-2006, 07:25 AM
374226 - nice high serial number. Highest one I've seen is 375456 which was in California.

Project71-5
04-27-2006, 10:07 AM
Rocky,

Unfortunately I took the drawbar off a few years ago when I replaced the rear crossmember.

$ sink
04-27-2006, 12:18 PM
Folks, if you know the original paint color or can find the code tag and give us the code, that too would be interesting info to add. Thanks

Mcruff
04-27-2006, 12:59 PM
1. 8305017 374265
2. Apr. 1971
3. 1971
4. Front mounted shackles
5. Model 27A front axle (3.73 open)
6. No snorkel cutout
7. Bottom mounted wipers with top of glass arched
8. Large front turn signals
9. Flanged D44 rear axle (3.73 open )
10. Rear mounted fuel tank
11. Front fender mounted markers
12. Manual windshield squirters
13. Rear drawbar w/o K member
14. Single stick t-case
15. Factory SW oil & amp guages
16. Factory or dealer installed ashtray and cigarette lighter
17. Factory trailer light plug
18. Paper element cleaner on Dauntless motor
19. Color 226 President red, Trim code 340

$ sink
04-27-2006, 01:06 PM
That's the sttuff! thanks Mike

WYOMIKE
04-27-2006, 11:52 PM
Just wanted to let everybody know that zoomer and $ Sink have done all the work on this project, and it looks great.
A well done to you guys:beer: :beer: :beer:

Rondog
04-28-2006, 12:52 AM
How about a question about the fake battery box cover? Bow bracket indents on the sides? Bow sockets on the rear corners? 6v/12v? Foot starter button or key start? Vacuum wipers or electric? One wiper or two? Pass side manual wiper? Hood safety latch/prop rod or not? And does this survey cover the 2A's, 3A's, 6's and military models too?

Sorry, not trying to be a pain, just some things I thought of.

Rondog
04-28-2006, 01:04 AM
1. VIN #57548 36141
2. DOM unknown. Per title, date of original sale at dealer was March 5, 1956 (I was born March 1, 1956)
3. 1956
4. Factory Front Shackle Reversal, Yes
5. Model 25 front axle
6. Snorkel Cutout on hood, Yes
7. Windshield Frame Configuration, top mounted wipers
8. Small front turn signals
9. Tapered or flanged rear axle? Unknown, don't know the difference
10. Underseat mounted fuel tank
11. No markers / hood reflectors
12. Windshield washers, No
13. Dual stick transfer case
14. Paint and Trim codes, No
15. Has false battery box cover
16. Has indents for top bow brackets on rear fenders
17. Does not have top bow brackets on rear corners (removed by PO?)
18. Does not have hood safety catch or prop rod
19. Battery mounting plate is by right front shock/axle, not on firewall
20. Was originally 6v
21. Originally had foot starter button, ignition switch was only on/off

$ sink
04-28-2006, 05:43 AM
How about a question about the fake battery box cover? Bow bracket indents on the sides? Bow sockets on the rear corners? 6v/12v? Foot starter button or key start? Vacuum wipers or electric? One wiper or two? Pass side manual wiper? Hood safety latch/prop rod or not? And does this survey cover the 2A's, 3A's, 6's and military models too?

Sorry, not trying to be a pain, just some things I thought of.

Sheeeesh... Whata Pain R)
thanks for the info Rondog

kamel
04-28-2006, 10:35 AM
Re the question about drawbar and rear gas tank. When the tank was moved to the rear the drawbar was modified so that it did not need the "K" portion.

I've got a couple of those laying around the shop here...

nissan_shift
04-30-2006, 10:59 AM
Hey, thanks for the Vin info. I just had a jeep givin' to me by my neighbor. He told me that it was a '52 but the title was lost years ago. I am new to jeeps so I had no idea what I really had. Did some hunting around on the internet to get a better idea. At first I thought that it was a M-38A1 but now thanks to your help the serial number now tells me that it is infact a "56 CJ-5. Now I can start ordering parts. Thanks So much!!!!:D

Zoomer
05-01-2006, 10:18 AM
Hey, thanks for the Vin info. I just had a jeep givin' to me by my neighbor. He told me that it was a '52 but the title was lost years ago. I am new to jeeps so I had no idea what I really had. Did some hunting around on the internet to get a better idea. At first I thought that it was a M-38A1 but now thanks to your help the serial number now tells me that it is infact a "56 CJ-5. Now I can start ordering parts. Thanks So much!!!!:D

You're welcome!

And WELCOME from Minnesota!

Care to contribute your VIN and Jeeps configuration to our project? Hang around for a while, there's a wealth of info and great people here!

Herobi
05-12-2006, 06:45 AM
What colour is that? Looking for a nice grey myself..

scorpio_vette
05-15-2006, 02:57 PM
i did search and read some of your info and other posts about vin numbers, but there is ALOT of reading out there. please don't get to upset, but i'll ask anyways.

i have what is believed to be a 71cj5 vin# 8305015 277699 (that's what it says on the title). i was just wondering if anybody can confirm the year and maybe give me some other info on it.

and a friend just bought what we believe to be a early cj5 with the wipers on top of the windshield vin# 8305c16 215058
can you guys give us any information on possible year and other info???
here is a link to some pictures of it on the jeep club site that we are in.
http://www.lcjs.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=915

thanks for any help

sparky
05-15-2006, 03:06 PM
i did search and read some of your info and other posts about vin numbers, but there is ALOT of reading out there. please don't get to upset, but i'll ask anyways.

i have what is believed to be a 71cj5 vin# 8305015 277699 (that's what it says on the title). i was just wondering if anybody can confirm the year and maybe give me some other info on it.

and a friend just bought what we believe to be a early cj5 with the wipers on top of the windshield vin# 8305c16 215058
can you guys give us any information on possible year and other info???
here is a link to some pictures of it on the jeep club site that we are in.
http://www.lcjs.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=915 (http://www.lcjs.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=915)

thanks for any help
Then you've read this: http://www.mninter.net/~molsen/jeep/VIN/Vehicle_Indentification.pdf (http://www.mninter.net/%7Emolsen/jeep/VIN/Vehicle_Indentification.pdf)?
That would put your Jeep as a late '71 I believe. 2000+ Jeeps after our oldest documented Jeep made in May of '71.

That document put together by Zoomer is incredible and has LOTS of good info in it.

Your friend's Jeep would be a '66 from what I can gather in that document as well.

Oh, welcome from KS!

So does your '71 still have the F-head?

tdean48
05-15-2006, 04:59 PM
What colour is that? Looking for a nice grey myself..
Sorry for missing this but it is Flat Black - PO+1 sprayed it over the original gold color - driving me crazy getting screws & bolts lose!

kamel
05-16-2006, 05:02 PM
277699 would be a 4 cylinder 71 jeep. the highest s/n that I have seen is 286072.

I would say that 215058 would be most likely a 69 -- maybe a '68 --canadian built.

sparky
05-16-2006, 05:03 PM
277699 would be a 4 cylinder 71 jeep. the highest s/n that I have seen is 286072.

Echo in here? R)

Zoomer
05-16-2006, 11:25 PM
I would say that 215058 would be most likely a 69 -- maybe a '68 --canadian built.

Are you saying the Canadian built sequential serial numbers deviate significantly from the US built ones? From the information I've gathered, sequential serial number 215058 would have been built in May of 1966.

sparky
05-16-2006, 11:28 PM
Are you saying the Canadian built sequential serial numbers deviate significantly from the US built ones? From the information I've gathered, sequential serial number 215058 would have been built in May of 1966.

Matches what I found.

kamel
05-17-2006, 08:52 AM
Jeep serial numbers - if only we could talk to someone who was there to find out what rationale (if any) there was for serial numbers.

For some reason, known only to the Jeep Suits, the serial numbers began with a "2" for four cylinder jeeps and a "3" for V-6 jeeps in the last 2 - 3 years up to 71.

Now,I know that the engine size was in the center three digits, 014 - 015 being four cylinder and 016 - 017 being v-6 jeeps, and one would think that was enough, however they also coded the first digit of the serial number as well.

I'm not sure exactly when they started this but it was in the '69 calendar year I think.

I have a 71 tag that was definitely a 71 jeep that is 8305 015 279... I don't have the last three digits memorized, sorry.

kamel

sparky
05-17-2006, 09:39 AM
Jeep serial numbers - if only we could talk to someone who was there to find out what rationale (if any) there was for serial numbers.

For some reason, known only to the Jeep Suits, the serial numbers began with a "2" for four cylinder jeeps and a "3" for V-6 jeeps in the last 2 - 3 years up to 71.

Now,I know that the engine size was in the center three digits, 014 - 015 being four cylinder and 016 - 017 being v-6 jeeps, and one would think that was enough, however they also coded the first digit of the serial number as well.

I'm not sure exactly when they started this but it was in the '69 calendar year I think.

I have a 71 tag that was definitely a 71 jeep that is 8305 015 279... I don't have the last three digits memorized, sorry.

kamel

Mark and I are both aware of the 2 or 3 to begin the serial number denoting the engine. What we were curious about was that you thought the other was not a '66 whereas we both thought from the SN it was?

Zoomer
05-17-2006, 12:22 PM
I have a 71 tag that was definitely a 71 jeep that is 8305 015 279... I don't have the last three digits memorized, sorry.

kamel

Agreed, 279XXX would be a late '71. (3)75285 was built in May of '71 and (2)79XXX would have been built after that.

kamel
05-17-2006, 12:54 PM
I stand corrected. The 215 serial number would be a 66 model.

I shouldn't try to do these things out of memory -

kamel

scorpio_vette
05-17-2006, 01:05 PM
why is it so hard to date these old jeeps like this??? this is my first jeep this old, and i'm aware that there were several owner/manufacturer changes, but i just figured that there would be some old documentations somewhere. like old records that jeep dealer or the library could look up. no?

sparky
05-17-2006, 01:06 PM
why is it so hard to date these old jeeps like this??? this is my first jeep this old, and i'm aware that there were several owner/manufacturer changes, but i just figured that there would be some old documentations somewhere. like old records that jeep dealer or the library could look up. no?
Ah well, here, this might shed some light on the situation.
http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/SerialNos.html

There's good records up to '67, after that it gets fuzzy as Zoomer's document indicates. It's not that hard to put a year on 'em though I don't think. We've enough around here that are documented. There's a few that might slip through the cracks though.

scorpio_vette
05-17-2006, 01:17 PM
that kinda sucks. when i got my 71, the only tag left on it was the one on the dash and you can barely read it. the owner handed me 2 little metal plates in an envelope. one was the axle gear tag, and the other was the tag that should have been on the driver firewall under the hood i believe.

i could probably post pics if anybody wants.

oh and there is another tag that says something about triangle springs. it's like a sticker. the back of it has rust on it, and it must have fell off, cuz somebody laminated it to try and preserve the print on it.

Herobi
05-17-2006, 01:32 PM
Sorry for missing this but it is Flat Black - PO+1 sprayed it over the original gold color - driving me crazy getting screws & bolts lose!
Thought it was a dark grey, must be the light. Still nice colour because its not shiny, think the flat finishes always look better.